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Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:25 pm
by mcd220
Hi Guys- Am getting back to playing music more seriously again, and would LOVE to hear input from you guys on what ya'll are running your guitars through.

I'm looking for basically a bedroom amp; something I can take to "Living room jam sessions", nothing too large or serious at this point. On a tight budget, so looking for the best value per sound quality I can find.

Something that will deliver a good "Byrds jangle"; I'm playing a Ricky Carl Wilson 12 string with the Janglebox enroute. ALSO; what about amps w/onboard modelling vs. an economy multi effects pedal, and what kind of multi effects are good ones for the money??

Les Fradkin mentioned to me, that for recording, he goes straight to the board, with the Janglebox and Vox Tone Lab pedal enroute. This does seem to be the standard for recording Ricky-12's; I believe this is how Roger has done it since at least "Back from Rio"?

But yeah; need something that I can play around on, that's going to sound reasonable. Don't need to make a ton of racket, or fill up Carnegie Hall, etc. :-)

In "Old school terms", something between a Fender Champ, and a Twin Reverb, I'm thinking.

Been out of the loop for so long, there is so much to look at it!

And something that will also do justice for "Six string twang & rock" as well. If I plug in an Epiphone Casino, Tele, ES-335, etc, still get a "Justice" sound.

A good, all-around reasonable, not too large amp.

Don't ask me what I'm playing through right now, as I'm far too embarrassed to tell you. :-(

Thanks in advance,

Christian


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Re: Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:35 pm
by scotty
Im playing through a Vox Ad50vt 2x12 great little amp very versitle and does the job nice clean tones too! Its got enough grunt to upset your neighbours and can easily soar above a drumkit. :D
Ps As im typing this the Editors are playing on Johnathan Ross and its Rickenbacker agogo Jetglow style.

Re: Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:42 pm
by jdogric12
Some amps I like include the Vox Pathfinder and Fender Princeton Chorus. Those should fit your needs nicely.

Re: Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:44 pm
by blueflamerick
You can't go wrong with one of the Vox AD valvetronix amps.

I used to own an AD30VT and was very happy with it, but I sold it and used the $ to buy a Reverend Hellhound, which I'm even happier with.

Re: Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:40 pm
by Scastles
I saw McGuinn use the Roland 120, and it captured the Byrds sound. Below is a portion of an interview with McGuinn.


The trademark chiming, jingle jangle sound of Roger McGuinn and the Byrds stems from the way in which he uses his trusty Rickenbacker 370 electric 12-string guitar. "The trick to getting that sound is putting a lot of compression on the guitar," McGuinn points out. "It really doesn't sustain too well all by itself. For an amp, I like using the Roland JC120. Put a good balance of bass and mid-range on it, and you'll get a really clean, full sound

Re: Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:11 pm
by rickenrocker
I have an AD30VT and the sound is very digital and fizzles out on the 'sustain'.

I dunno why these amps get so much praise, I can't be the only one to notice.

Re: Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:21 am
by soundmasterg
If you want the sound of old Byrds stuff with a RIC12, then you should get a Fender tube amp. Something like a Twin Reverb, Super Reverb, Showman, Bassman, etc would be fine. Get what you need for the volume you need, and any of the Blackface stuff should work fine. Silverface stuff will be ok too but not as good. Modern Fender will get you in the ballpark but again the BF tone is where it is at when trying to nail old Byrds stuff. Tweed Fender tone isn't quite right for it but it will work. You can get somewhat close with the Vox sounds, though those are more suited for nailing Beatles 12 string tones. A good compressor is a requirement too.

Greg

Re: Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:11 pm
by fatcat
This thread moved me to try my newish 660-12 MB and Janglebox thru my Pathfinder 15R and I got an acceptable jangly tone quickly wuithout a lot of fiddling.I think it would suit you well for a reasonably priced bedroom/living room amp.
It certainly has more than enough volume for practice.

Re: Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:26 pm
by steverok
I am hoping a Fender Deluxe Reverb will be a good fit with the 360-12. I plan to try out that combo during the holidays.

Re: Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:12 pm
by steambyrd
Steve,
I mentioned on the Ric corporate forum, that I get real close to the Byrds with my 360/12 or my 370/12, my Janglebox AND either my silver-faced Deluxe Reverb, or my re-issue '65 Deluxe Reverb. In fact, I turned a few heads at the music store when I "auditioned" the 360 on a Byrds tune with a Deluxe Reverb they had there, prior to my buying of the guitar.

Re: Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:34 pm
by steverok
It seems like it could be a match made in heaven, even though I am hesitant to use money and floor space on something with such limited functionality. Of course, many of us would love a tube amp that could produce wonderful chimey clean sounds with our Ric 12-string, then, with a flip of channel switch, produce massive super-crackle overdrive with our SG. Dream on ...

Re: Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:42 pm
by tamborineman
Jim, I had a simular experiance at the store when I tried the deluxe reverb ri with my 360-12. The first notes HAD to be the Tamborineman intro. This place did not sell Rics so everyone was extra-impressed :)

Re: Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:59 pm
by Buddy Clontz
I use a Fender Hot Rod Deville Amp with 4-10" speaker and a little compression with my Rickenbacker 360-12 and I get pretty close to that "Byrds Sound" according to most that have heard the set up. -BC

Re: Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:40 am
by scotty
Hi buddy nice to see you here ive enjoyed you vids on YT for sometime now Welcome to the forum

Re: Amps for "Byrds Jangle"

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:34 am
by admin
Welcome Buddy. I too love the sound of the 4 X 10 Fender Hot Rod Deville. What is it about a 4 X 10 Combo that provides a very different tone compared to the 2 X 12?