Binding Bleed on 1972 360
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Binding Bleed on 1972 360
This looks like a decent 1972 360 MG with some transitional features (CPI, early hi-gain PUs, checkered binding), but an unfortunate case of the "binding bleed" that seems to sometimes occur in this time period with checkered binding:
http://cgi.ebay.com/111118643631?pt=Guitar
It's hard to know whether this was the result of someting that happened in the factory, but it does seem to show up on some of the 4001 MG models made in this era.
http://cgi.ebay.com/111118643631?pt=Guitar
It's hard to know whether this was the result of someting that happened in the factory, but it does seem to show up on some of the 4001 MG models made in this era.
Re: Binding Bleed on 1972 360
It does seem like I've seen binding bleed more on '69-'73 instruments than earlier years (or later). I understand vaguely why it happens -the celluloid binding gasses off and reacts with the finish, but I wonder why those years specifically?
There is an original MG 381 that's been on eBay for some time that also has this. Shame really, it kinda ruins the looks.
This 360 has a bound headstock too! Cool guitar..but too many frets.
There is an original MG 381 that's been on eBay for some time that also has this. Shame really, it kinda ruins the looks.
This 360 has a bound headstock too! Cool guitar..but too many frets.
Re: Binding Bleed on 1972 360
The dreaded Glueburst! Yep, not uncommon on '69-'72 Mapleglo 4001's.
This was discussed over at the bass forum and at The Vibrola:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=398761
Here's a nice 21-fretter in Glueburst:
This was discussed over at the bass forum and at The Vibrola:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=398761
Here's a nice 21-fretter in Glueburst:
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Re: Binding Bleed on 1972 360
I have to say that I have never during the 47 years I've worked here seen an instrument like this.
I HAVE seen in years past a much smaller stain or yellow zone on the back joint of 300 series instruments and suggested to Dick Burke it was the glue. He felt that wasn't it but rather some form of oxidation that came into the wood along a surface that was planed following the edge grain. He put two planed board together, not glued, and left them outside in the sun for about 6 weeks, after which there was a similar stain.
That still doesn't explain this discoloration next to the binding and I would tend to think it's glue and binding material reacting with the finish in some way. That would have been FullerPlast then, or course.
I HAVE seen in years past a much smaller stain or yellow zone on the back joint of 300 series instruments and suggested to Dick Burke it was the glue. He felt that wasn't it but rather some form of oxidation that came into the wood along a surface that was planed following the edge grain. He put two planed board together, not glued, and left them outside in the sun for about 6 weeks, after which there was a similar stain.
That still doesn't explain this discoloration next to the binding and I would tend to think it's glue and binding material reacting with the finish in some way. That would have been FullerPlast then, or course.
Re: Binding Bleed on 1972 360
Here's a link to the '69 381 auction that has the same exact binding bleed.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Rickenback ... 3f256d54bd
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Rickenback ... 3f256d54bd
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Re: Binding Bleed on 1972 360
We've probably seen 5 or 6 of these over the last few years, usually '72 4001 basses.
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Re: Binding Bleed on 1972 360
There was an early '70s 460 MG on eBay not too long ago with a pronounced (non-checkered) binding bleed...pics/discussion here: viewtopic.php?f=68&t=399220&hilit=460&start=15
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Re: Binding Bleed on 1972 360
So is this a warranty issue on my bass John?
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Re: Binding Bleed on 1972 360
One of my 71's is a GlueBurst.
I like it. Reminds me of the Aniline dye bleed on the other "Bursts"….
I like it. Reminds me of the Aniline dye bleed on the other "Bursts"….
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Re: Binding Bleed on 1972 360
If the warranty has expired Graham, you can send it to me & I'll refund you the FULL original retail price.8mileshigh wrote:So is this a warranty issue on my bass John?
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Re: Binding Bleed on 1972 360
It has too many frets for you!opticnerve wrote:If the warranty has expired Graham, you can send it to me & I'll refund you the FULL original retail price.8mileshigh wrote:So is this a warranty issue on my bass John?
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Re: Binding Bleed on 1972 360
Looks like about a 1" length of the outer binding was broken off…libratune wrote:This looks like a decent 1972 360 MG with some transitional features (CPI, early hi-gain PUs, checkered binding), but an unfortunate case of the "binding bleed" that seems to sometimes occur in this time period with checkered binding:
http://cgi.ebay.com/111118643631?pt=Guitar
It's hard to know whether this was the result of someting that happened in the factory, but it does seem to show up on some of the 4001 MG models made in this era.
Still interesting...