Rickenbacker Vintage 1964 Guitar
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Rickenbacker Vintage 1964 Guitar
Hello,
I own Rickenbacker Fireglo with Vibrato!!! / F Hole!!!
Serial Number DH 111 Year 1964. (Extremly Rare)
All parts ar original - vintage and in good condition.
Does anyone konw the value of this guitar.
tx, Fred
I own Rickenbacker Fireglo with Vibrato!!! / F Hole!!!
Serial Number DH 111 Year 1964. (Extremly Rare)
All parts ar original - vintage and in good condition.
Does anyone konw the value of this guitar.
tx, Fred
Re: Rickenbacker Vintage 1964 Guitar
Hi Fred. Sounds like an early "Rose Morris" model as exported to England - does it have two or three pick-ups? If it's two it's most likely a Rose Morris model 1997 and with three pick ups it's designated a model 1998. If it's in good original condition, here in the UK it could sell for £5,000 on a good day at auction (equivalent to around $8,000). If you search for "Rose Morris" using the search box at the bottom of this page you'll find loads of great information on these beautiful guitars. Would also be great if you can post some pictures so we can enjoy your guitar!
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Re: Rickenbacker Vintage 1964 Guitar
This guitar is up om Ebay now with lots of lovely images. Shame about the neck crack but at least it is repaired...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Rickenback ... 2a416a358d
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Rickenback ... 2a416a358d
Brian Morton
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in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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67 FG 625
74 JG 4000
76 JG 430
77 JG 620
77 JG 320
79 JG 4001
80 FG 620/12
81 BG 480
91 JG 610
02 BG 620
78 TR7
83 TR25
Re: Rickenbacker Vintage 1964 Guitar
This may not be a RM but it is a nice vintage Rick for about 1/4 the price.
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Re: Rickenbacker Vintage 1964 Guitar
This is why we don't give estimates without seeing photos. Would've instantly recognized the refin & neck crack.
The eBay price is high, considering this damage. I've had original paint 60s 1997s that I could barely get $4k.
The eBay price is high, considering this damage. I've had original paint 60s 1997s that I could barely get $4k.
Re: Rickenbacker Vintage 1964 Guitar
+1 to that Collin.collin wrote:This is why we don't give estimates without seeing photos. Would've instantly recognized the refin & neck crack.
The eBay price is high, considering this damage. I've had original paint 60s 1997s that I could barely get $4k.
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Re: Rickenbacker Vintage 1964 Guitar
Just heard from John Hall about this one...
"Definitely a Rose Morris, shipped in the 7th shipment on about 10/10/1964. Listed on
our records as a "335S".
Useful to have that Rose Morris file on your desk...
And a larger question for you all. How do you know this 1997 has been refinished? I see the dark bit around the neck crack - that is obviously not how the guitar shipped from the factory. How can you tell the rest of the guitar has been refinished too?
"Definitely a Rose Morris, shipped in the 7th shipment on about 10/10/1964. Listed on
our records as a "335S".
Useful to have that Rose Morris file on your desk...
And a larger question for you all. How do you know this 1997 has been refinished? I see the dark bit around the neck crack - that is obviously not how the guitar shipped from the factory. How can you tell the rest of the guitar has been refinished too?
Brian Morton
A Rickenbacker Fan
in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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67 FG 625
74 JG 4000
76 JG 430
77 JG 620
77 JG 320
79 JG 4001
80 FG 620/12
81 BG 480
91 JG 610
02 BG 620
78 TR7
83 TR25
A Rickenbacker Fan
in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
=========================
67 FG 625
74 JG 4000
76 JG 430
77 JG 620
77 JG 320
79 JG 4001
80 FG 620/12
81 BG 480
91 JG 610
02 BG 620
78 TR7
83 TR25
Re: Rickenbacker Vintage 1964 Guitar
I believe this is where the refin idea comes from. It appears the clearcoat was oversprayed at some point.
Seller says: "All parts of the guitar are original Rickenbacker 1964.
The guitar had a broken neck which was repaired professionally 30 years ago, but your can't feel or hear that when you play this guitar. The (clear)paint has been renewed 30 years ago the former owner told me."
Seller says: "All parts of the guitar are original Rickenbacker 1964.
The guitar had a broken neck which was repaired professionally 30 years ago, but your can't feel or hear that when you play this guitar. The (clear)paint has been renewed 30 years ago the former owner told me."
Re: Rickenbacker Vintage 1964 Guitar
libratune wrote:I believe this is where the refin idea comes from. It appears the clearcoat was oversprayed at some point.
Seller says: "All parts of the guitar are original Rickenbacker 1964.
The guitar had a broken neck which was repaired professionally 30 years ago, but your can't feel or hear that when you play this guitar. The (clear)paint has been renewed 30 years ago the former owner told me."
^^ This.
For all intents and purposes (most importantly, value..) clear overspray = refin.
Plus, it's obviously had more color around the repair.
....though the Fireglo is remarkably lighter shade than would be typical for a '64
Re: Rickenbacker Vintage 1964 Guitar
Check the images in the register for the year Brian; It's not a typical '64 burst at all. Apart from the too-smooth body burst, it has no variation around the sides. Add that to the soft nitro like shine, the ambiguous references to clearcoat (which would skew a blacklight check), the lack of common wear spots and stripped fretboard and that leads me to a refin. Mostly, the burst pattern gives me the feeling - it looks just like the work of a very good refinisher from Italy I've seen before.
Re: Rickenbacker Vintage 1964 Guitar
The Italian Stallion strikes again! Ill say something he is pretty good.The bridge is sitting pretty low on this one should have went for the reset before the respray
Great Ebay Pics BTW.
Great Ebay Pics BTW.
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Re: Rickenbacker Vintage 1964 Guitar
All very good answers to my questions - thanks!
Very nice images in the Ebay listing - almost a 100 of them.
Very nice images in the Ebay listing - almost a 100 of them.
Brian Morton
A Rickenbacker Fan
in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
=========================
67 FG 625
74 JG 4000
76 JG 430
77 JG 620
77 JG 320
79 JG 4001
80 FG 620/12
81 BG 480
91 JG 610
02 BG 620
78 TR7
83 TR25
A Rickenbacker Fan
in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
=========================
67 FG 625
74 JG 4000
76 JG 430
77 JG 620
77 JG 320
79 JG 4001
80 FG 620/12
81 BG 480
91 JG 610
02 BG 620
78 TR7
83 TR25
Re: Rickenbacker Vintage 1964 Guitar
Sad that this one has got the all-too-typical repaired neck break. Whenever there's very dark shading at the back of the headstock at the volute that's a clear indicator that it's a repaired/resprayed neck with the dark colouring used to conceal the fracture line. Originally, I would have expected this guitar to have had lighter Fireglo shading at this point consistent with the shading on the rest of the back of the neck (cf. neck pic of DC301 1997 below).
Interesting that already by late '64 the Rose Morris exports were using the 345 model designation in the cavity whereas the earlier '64 exports used an alpha/numeric coding (5-H in the case of DC301 pictured).
Interesting that already by late '64 the Rose Morris exports were using the 345 model designation in the cavity whereas the earlier '64 exports used an alpha/numeric coding (5-H in the case of DC301 pictured).