Newest owner of a vintage Rick 12

Early years of Rickenbacker Guitars prior to and including 1972

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Newest owner of a vintage Rick 12

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I am now the newest owner of a Rickenbacker 12 string that belonged to my oldest brother for many years. It is sad in a large way, since he passed away almost a full year ago. My brother, Chris, taught me how to play guitar - twice, actually - once when I was 17 and again when I was 22. The second time it stuck :)

His 1966 Fireglo 360/12 was among his prized possessions; and he left it for me in his will. It is very sad he is no longer with us, he was far too young to die at the mellow age of 62. This guitar is now mine to love and cherish, and his memory will always live on within it.

I joined this forum for this very reason - being the owner of a '66 Rick 12 is a new experience for me (I mostly play PRS or Tele-type guitars) and I intend to play it as it was designed. I've already started updating my repertoire around the great, early Beatles, Who, and Byrds songs that are so uniquely defined by the distinctive sound of this amazing guitar.

Already, however, there are a couple of issues that I need to address to bring this guitar into 'player' condition. I look forward to learning a lot from the members here about care and feeding of a great instrument like this.

The first issue that came to light is a 'fret crash' at the 11th fret on the 1st string pair. It's unfortunate, because that note is needed for the lead solo in the Byrds version of Dylan's My Back Pages. I can compensate by playing the 2nd string pair on the 16th fret, but . . .

The other issue that just materialized is more troubling: the low octave A string (I have it strung in 'Rickenbacker format' with the lower octave strings above the higher) has just started to pop out of its guide in the nut. This is not cool.

So, as part of my introductory post, I have a couple questions for the knowledgeable Rick lovers that frequent this forum: 1) Is a refret a common procedure for older Rick 12 strings? 2) Is it a common problem that the nut starts to fail?

Regarding the nut, I'm not sure what to think about what I see. It looks to be made of rosewood and the grooves are angled. It almost seems that even the strings that have tuning keys on the treble side are angled in the opposite direction. As I type this, I'm not looking at the guitar, but that was my first impression. I'd be interested to hear what a typical '66 12 string nut should look like. I don't recall seeing any difference in the groove widths between the pairs of strings.

Of course, I have no information on the history of this guitar and when I received it, it was strung like a traditional 12 string, with the higher octave strings on top (with 3 broken strings - one E, one B, low G). I don't know if the nut was modified or replaced, although it looks suspiciously low.

So anyway, 'Hello', and I look forward to learning a lot more about this great guitar. I fear I'll have to give it up for a while when I deliver it to my favorite luthier who does not necessarily have all the time he needs to do all of the work needed in his shop :lol:
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Re: Newest owner of a vintage Rick 12

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Welcome Andy to the forum !

A few high resolution pictures will be very helpful !!

Greetings

Peter
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Re: Newest owner of a vintage Rick 12

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I'll see if I can get some pix that show the nut. In the meantime, here's a glamor shot for posterity :)

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Very nice guitar Andy - and a wonderful way to remember your brother.

Thanks for adding it to the register too. I see it is an FJ from Oct 66.

My only 12 string is a FG 620, so I am hardly an expert but it sounds like you need a new nut cut for it.
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Welcome, and very touching story. Since it sounds like you'll be playing, loving and keeping the guitar, don't hestitate to get it restored - meaning a refret, and possibly a new nut. But make sure your "favorite luthier" knows Ricks... many aren't familiar with the quirks of those old dual truss rods. Or worse, they think they do but they don't. We've seen many horror stories on this forum about that. Fretboards get accidentally popped off sometimes! I recommend Curt Wilson (NJ) or Larry Davis (FL). The refret will be a daunting task, since it will require (I think) removing binding and maybe even a refin, or at least a re-clearcoat. Those guys would know better than I. But it will be worth it, and sounds like it's required, given your My Back Pages experience. Keep us posted on the progress, and good luck!

Oh, and from bass side to treble side, it should go fundamental, octave. So on a downstroke you hit the low low E first. And it should be easy to see which order (RIC vs traditional) the nut is cut for.
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Re: Newest owner of a vintage Rick 12

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Here's a picture I took of the nut. Not sure it sheds much light on things. I should have thought to take some pix while I was changing the strings but didn't.

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I think I'll follow Jason's advice and send it to a Rick specialist. I got a quick reply from Curt Wilson at Old Shchool Guitar in NJ. They look like they have good experience working with vintage instruments. After almost 50 years of service, this guitar deserves a little TLC.
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