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450 bridge question

PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:27 am
by Stunt
Hi, new here. I just picked up a 66 450/12. It has a very simple, I assume stock, floating bridge. I say simple meaning no moving parts, though it does look carefully engineered. I'm wondering if a tunematic bridge might help with resonance and sustain. Anyone have thoughts on this? Probably will rarely string it as a 12, more often will be playing it as a 6 string, doing 70's hard rock kind of stuff. Inspired to get this by Fred 'Sonic' Smith!

Re: 450 bridge question

PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 12:16 pm
by iiipopes
One word:
NO!

Re: 450 bridge question

PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 2:02 pm
by aceonbass
NO!!.....but you may be able to swap it out for the current 6 or 12 saddle RIC bridge.

Re: 450 bridge question

PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:02 am
by doctorwho
I agree with the "No" votes above.

The trick on getting the intonation right involves angling the bridge and moving it with the pick guard loosened in case the bridge has to move farther forward than the cut-out allows. I am able to intonate my 1981 460 BG and my 1999 450v63 JG with no problem.

460bridge.JPG
460 Bridge. The side in the foreground is slightly under the pick guard, rather than just in the cut-out.


FWIW, the model 430 used a similar bridge plate/tail piece, but the casting had dimples for the "4-post" Rickenbacker bridge that was factory standard on that model.

bridgecu.jpg
Model 430 tail piece and bridge.


Winfield Vintage makes a replacement version of the latter style bridge plate/tail piece, so you could change yours out with that part and a standard RIC bridge which theoretically would give you more intonation control.

Re: 450 bridge question

PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:48 am
by iiipopes
doctorwho wrote:I agree with the "No" votes above.

The trick on getting the intonation right involves angling the bridge and moving it with the pick guard loosened in case the bridge has to move farther forward than the cut-out allows. I am able to intonate my 1981 460 BG and my 1999 450v63 JG with no problem.

460bridge.JPG


FWIW, the model 430 used a similar bridge plate/tail piece, but the casting had dimples for the "4-post" Rickenbacker bridge that was factory standard on that model.

bridgecu.jpg


Winfield Vintage makes a replacement version of the latter style bridge plate/tail piece, so you could change yours out with that part and a standard RIC bridge which theoretically would give you more intonation control.

Also, make sure with the fixed bridge offsets, that you use a set of strings that has a wound third G string, like the RIC 12's set, or a D'Addario XL-115W 11-49, or the T-I set that is available from PotR.

Re: 450 bridge question

PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:28 am
by doctorwho
Good point, Scott.

The strings on the 460 shown above are the D'Addario ECG24 Jazz Light Flat Wound Set (11-15-22w-30-40-50). I can't remember what strings are on the 450v63 ... :? :shock: :lol:

Re: 450 bridge question

PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:14 am
by jdogric12
if 11's are too much tension... I use 10's, and just keep a stock of 18/20w's on hand to swap out. It's a shame, I throw away a lot of 17/18p's.

Re: 450 bridge question

PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:04 am
by iiipopes
doctorwho wrote:Good point, Scott.

The strings on the 460 shown above are the D'Addario ECG24 Jazz Light Flat Wound Set (11-15-22w-30-40-50). I can't remember what strings are on the 450v63 ... :? :shock: :lol:

That'll work!

Re: 450 bridge question

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:59 pm
by Peterpatterson
Hi Scott, I know this is a few years old now, I just came across your post!!! Did you ever sort out your bridge problem? I do know for a fact, that Sonic's had a TOM on his, he played with only 6 strings, & it was fine!!! A purist will say, NO!!! don't use one, but if you want it like Fred's, that's what he used. I have one on mine too, a 450/6. Do you have HB's in yours??? Take care.