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NGD 1998 from 1964

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:38 am
by Medicus1963
Hallo Rickenbacker Fans!

I just received a Rose Morris 1998 from 1964, Serial DA94, as such listed in the register. But if i use Rickenbacker serial number decoder it says invalid number! Could this be true? Is it normal with Rose Morris Rickenbackers?
the former user says, it might have had a refin, so which are the indicator signs of a refinish?

Thanks in advance!

Peter

Re: NGD 1998 from 1964

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:05 am
by jdogric12
Should be fine. The decoder may simply be having difficulty with such few digits, but it sounds correct. Look in the cavities (TRC especially) for evidence of refins.

Re: NGD 1998 from 1964

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:11 am
by Medicus1963
Thanks Jason,

In the TRC cavity,there is evidence of refin, But i think just to cover a broken neck :( .
Otherwise the finish seems original. To have some color in the control cavity seems to be normal, does it?

Thanks

Peter

Re: NGD 1998 from 1964

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:33 pm
by collin
Medicus1963 wrote:Thanks Jason,

In the TRC cavity,there is evidence of refin, But i think just to cover a broken neck :( .
Otherwise the finish seems original. To have some color in the control cavity seems to be normal, does it?

Thanks

Peter


It is completely normal (and expected) to have color/finish in the control cavity and also the TRC cavity. These were painted without masking.

However, it appears there is color inside the soundhole of your guitar - is that correct? This would be the only indication of a refinish, in my opinion. A blacklight could tell you more clues, including any repaired areas.

Nice guitar, if it was indeed a Rose Morris model, it's an extremely early one (January '64).

Re: NGD 1998 from 1964

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:38 pm
by godber
Andreas does say it was repainted on his website,
https://www.rockwall-guitars.de/en/rick ... 1964-345s/
Congrats!

Re: NGD 1998 from 1964

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:21 pm
by Medicus1963
Yes Collin, there is paint in the f hole.
Andreas from Rockwall Guitars says that it was repainted, But He is not shure.

Right, it is a very early example, But i am not quite sure If Every. Part of this guitar is original!
But the Most important thing is, that it is a great sounding guitar!

Greetings from germany!

Peter

Re: NGD 1998 from 1964

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:26 pm
by Medicus1963
By the way,
What does the painting inside the control cavity mean?

Thanks
Peter

Re: NGD 1998 from 1964

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:08 pm
by collin
godber wrote:Andreas does say it was repainted on his website,
https://www.rockwall-guitars.de/en/rick ... 1964-345s/
Congrats!


Nice, now THAT is how you sell an instrument, folks. Overwhelming number of bright, hi-res images.

Looking at the photos here, it's clearly a refin. Plus when a dealer tells you it's refinished - you can guarantee that's true.

Medicus1963 wrote:By the way,
What does the painting inside the control cavity mean?

Thanks
Peter


The painting or the writing? All of these guitars were painted without masking inside the control cavity, only masking inside the soundhole.

The writing/markings inside the soundhole are just internal production notes. Just an assumption, but I think different employees would notate inside the control cavity once the guitar passed through each work station, or include initials. There is usually a model designation "345S, etc." that doesn't always match the final model build.

Re: NGD 1998 from 1964

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:32 pm
by jps
Many times there will also be names inside pickup cavities and under the TRC.

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Re: NGD 1998 from 1964

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:14 am
by Medicus1963
Thanks for all the input!
By the way, the seller is a good friend of mine and i trust him for sure! I told you only that He himself was Not sure.
Sorry Collin for Mixing Up painting and writing, of course i meant writing! This is because english is not my mother language.

Thanks for all your Input and help!

Peter