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Looking for a 1960s Rose Morris hard case

PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:05 pm
by Glyn Thomas
Hi folks,

I have a Ricky Rose Morris 1998 (3 pickup) model from August 1964 and am desperately looking to get a matching case for it. It should be silver on the exterior, blue on the interior and have the badge logo near the carry handle. Can anyone help me source one of these from the 1964-66 era? I really want to get the guitar fixed up and running as a complete package again.....Any help appreciated. Many thanks

Glyn Thomas

Re: Looking for a 1960s Rose Morris hard case

PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:53 pm
by collin
That’s a tough one, Glyn. I’ve been looking for one myself since 2008!

Hope you can find one, otherwise best solution would be buying a vintage Deluxe case (with internal pocket) and add one of the badges. Not original though.

Re: Looking for a 1960s Rose Morris hard case

PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:14 am
by Glyn Thomas
Hi Colin, thanks for the reply....yes I fear it may be a long wait to find the right one. Which is a shame, because I know many of the guitars got damaged beyond repair with broken necks etc so their should be some cases left knocking about in the UK.


I guess I'm not the only person looking for one!

As you said perhaps finding the American version and putting a badge on would be the best 'near' solution.

Glyn

Re: Looking for a 1960s Rose Morris hard case

PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 3:48 pm
by collin
Yeah I never brought myself to actually doing though (even though I have 60s cases and a spare "Rickenbacker" metal tag, which is quite hard to find) simply because I know it wouldn't be original.

Might as well put the guitar in a modern case for the time being, as it will be safer.

Re: Looking for a 1960s Rose Morris hard case

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:34 am
by jdogric12
So did 60's US cases have no badge, but 60's UK Rose MOrris cases did have a badge?

Re: Looking for a 1960s Rose Morris hard case

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:45 am
by sloop_john_b
jdogric12 wrote:So did 60's US cases have no badge, but 60's UK Rose MOrris cases did have a badge?


In general, exactly!

There's probably a little more nuance to it which Collin will provide shortly. :)

Re: Looking for a 1960s Rose Morris hard case

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 1:57 pm
by collin
Nah, that's pretty much exactly it.

I'm sure only Martin Kelly knows exactly why Rose Morris specified a badge on the case (since most of RM's other specifications were about saving costs!), but in general any instrument shipped to Rose Morris should have this badge mounted on the original case. Not sure when that dropped off though, likely after 1966.

It seems to be a mix, some of the 1997/1998/1993 models received the "deluxe" case (with the storage pocket and thicker latches), and others received a standard case, often with brass latches on the '64s. My original '65 RM1993 has a deluxe case with red interior! :shock:

Re: Looking for a 1960s Rose Morris hard case

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:23 pm
by jdogric12
collin wrote:I'm sure only Martin Kelly knows exactly why Rose Morris specified a badge on the case (since most of RM's other specifications were about saving costs!)


WIld guess - could have been to make it easy to spot certain brands in their warehouse, since they would be tossing around cases from many different manufacturers.

Re: Looking for a 1960s Rose Morris hard case

PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:36 pm
by collin
Not quite sure, but I doubt they had a warehouse! I've been to Rose Morris' original location on Demark St. and it's a small place.

It's likely just a matter of tradition. Most guitars in the UK back then had badges on their cases, even if the badge didn't represent the guitar (for example, most Fender guitars sold in the UK were in Selmer brand cases, with badges). I believe the other specs requested were based on tradition as well, including F-soundhole, dot inlays and vibratos.

Re: Looking for a 1960s Rose Morris hard case

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:21 am
by opticnerve
collin wrote: My original '65 RM1993 has a deluxe case with red interior! :shock:


Huh, that's a rare transitional case Collin, but I've never seen one with a '65 guitar.

Does it have a badge? Do you think it's original to the guitar?

I think it was in 1962 they phased out the gray "elephant skin" cases with red lining,

and the first generation of silver tolex cases retained the red lining.

Soon after, the blue became standard.

Can you post some pics?

I love those silver/red cases!

You don't see many.

Re: Looking for a 1960s Rose Morris hard case

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:23 pm
by collin
opticnerve wrote:
collin wrote: My original '65 RM1993 has a deluxe case with red interior! :shock:


Huh, that's a rare transitional case Collin, but I've never seen one with a '65 guitar.

Does it have a badge? Do you think it's original to the guitar?

I think it was in 1962 they phased out the gray "elephant skin" cases with red lining,

and the first generation of silver tolex cases retained the red lining.

Soon after, the blue became standard.

Can you post some pics?

I love those silver/red cases!

You don't see many.


I know, it surprised me too but there was apparently a small batch of Rose Morris 1993s shipped to Australia that all had the normal silver deluxe case (with RM type Rick badge), but with a red interior.

I have found other guitars from the same batch (EB XXX) that have the same exact case. It's not the earlier grey elephant case, definitely a 60s silver RM case.

Pics -- my 1993 (Feb '65):
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A similar guitar, less than 10 digits away from the same batch:
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Oddly, not all the 1993 from this same third batch ("EB") share the same case, Tony as you're well aware! :D Yours went to Australia as well.

Re: Looking for a 1960s Rose Morris hard case

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:28 pm
by Glyn Thomas
Thanks Collin for the posts and from everyone else too. My guitar collector friend does indeed say that the imported Rose Morris cases did indeed have a silver case with a blue interior and a badge. Exactly the same as the US cases but with the added badge.

Anyone got some good ideas where I could source either a UK case, or failing that a US one from the mid 60s?

Many thanks

Glyn

Re: Looking for a 1960s Rose Morris hard case

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:56 pm
by collin
Glyn Thomas wrote:Thanks Collin for the posts and from everyone else too. My guitar collector friend does indeed say that the imported Rose Morris cases did indeed have a silver case with a blue interior and a badge. Exactly the same as the US cases but with the added badge.

Anyone got some good ideas where I could source either a UK case, or failing that a US one from the mid 60s?

Many thanks

Glyn


As pointed out above, not all the imported Rose Morris guitars had a blue interior, but the vast majority did.

Good luck in your search - as mentioned I've been looking for one since 2008 and still empty-handed.

Next closest thing would be keeping an eye out on eBay or Reverb for a U.S. market case from the same era. Either way, it's not going to be a quick search.

Re: Looking for a 1960s Rose Morris hard case

PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:41 am
by opticnerve
I know, it surprised me too but there was apparently a small batch of Rose Morris 1993s shipped to Australia that all had the normal silver deluxe case (with RM type Rick badge), but with a red interior.

I have found other guitars from the same batch (EB XXX) that have the same exact case. It's not the earlier grey elephant case, definitely a 60s silver RM case.

Oddly, not all the 1993 from this same third batch ("EB") share the same case, Tony as you're well aware! :D Yours went to Australia as well.


WOW, fantastic info Collin!!! This is a new one on me!

Thanks for posting the pics.

Have you ever seen a red lined 1999 bass case?

Oy, and I had to end up with a blue one!!! I want a red, whaaaaaa! :x