Most break angle from a 620/625?

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Re: Most break angle from a 620/625?

Postby (Ontario_RIC_fan) » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:02 pm

The heavy gauge strings were on that short scaled 1996 guitar for a reason.

You can't keep it in tune if you don't use them.

I learned that the hard way with my 320.
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Re: Most break angle from a 620/625?

Postby (maxwell) » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:17 pm

collin wrote:You pretty much took my little MS Paint graphic and brought it to life!


Well, I was entirely inspired by your photo. :D

When I put the Accent on with the new spring (probably in November), I'll use some inexpensive wound 12s during the experimental phase, and when things look good, put on flat wound 12s.

I'll be back!
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Re: Most break angle from a 620/625?

Postby (maxwell) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:08 pm

It's pretty well understood that the spring height does influence the break angle of the strings over the bridge, regardless of the specific guitar model (with Accent vibrato)....

So, I was about to order that vintage style spring that Winfield sells. Before ordering, once again, I studied the photos he has comparing the vintage style (with rubber bumpers) vs. the modern style (with felt pads), and re-read his descriptive, comparative narrative. I pulled my spring out and now, to me, today, it seems that I do have a shorter, vintage style spring -- it is stock on the RM 1996 reissue, and it has (had) rubber bumpers; I put some felt-like moleskin on it to make it functionally less tall/high.

I took a couple of photos and thought I'd post them here. Maybe someone has one of the springs and can measure the springs height as it sits inverted. My spring is 13 mm high. Can anyone definitely tell me which spring I have (short vintage vs. tall modern)?
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Re: Most break angle from a 620/625?

Postby (maxwell) » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:27 pm

Well, I got tired of waiting for one of you guys to disassemble your guitar and measure your Accent spring height. :wink: :lol:

So, I contacted Winfield via ebay (where he also sells these, in addition to Reverb), attached my 13 mm measurement photo, and asked how high/tall his spring was. Got a quick reply: 10 mm

I had some ebucks waiting to be used, so I used those to help make the ebay purchase of the Winfield spring. I'll give this a try and see how it goes. I'm optimistic.
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Re: Most break angle from a 620/625?

Postby (collin) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:19 am

Eh, not much traffic here these days, things move slower.

Anyways, here is a standard 60s Accent spring from a guitar with perfect break angle. It’s exactly 10mm, so the Winfield part is correct.

I think you’ll find those extra 3mm cause all sorts of problems, since it raises the height of the anchor point on the vibrato. And even one degree makes a huge difference in regards to break angle.

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Re: Most break angle from a 620/625?

Postby (admin) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:58 am

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Re: Most break angle from a 620/625?

Postby (maxwell) » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:26 pm

My Winfield spring arrived yesterday. I cleaned the moleskin off my RIC spring and replace the rubber bumpers. Below are a few comparative photos of the two springs, the RIC Modern vs. the Winfield Vintage. (I don't know when I'll get around to assembling and stringing my guitar....)
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