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Switching valve amps on and off

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:36 pm
by pag
Hi folks,
I have used valve amps for years and its always been my belief that they take a while to reach optimum
level once they get warmed up so once there I usually leave the amp on in standby/mute when not in use.
I usually get the svt on as soon as poss at gigs just to get things cooking as it were.
After soundcheck its left on and I have never had any problems.
Recently I noticed that our new guitarist after soundchecking,in between sets, or having a break at rehearsal switches his valve Boogie off

Surely thats what the standby switch is for?
Is he going against accepted wisdom turning the amp on and off all the time or am I mistaken?

Re: Switching valve amps on and off

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:34 pm
by jps
You are doing the right thing, Pete, so that would make the guitard doing the wrong thing! You could correct him of his erroneous ways.........or not! :mrgreen:

Re: Switching valve amps on and off

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:39 pm
by johnallg
Pete, in standby, the cathode heaters stay on and the high voltage is removed. The big inrush when tubes are first turned on is via the cathode so turning it in and just using standby is easier on the tube than how the guitarist keeps turning it on an off.

Re: Switching valve amps on and off

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:59 pm
by fatcat
Keeping it up to operating temperature is less taxing than having it heat up and cool down several times a gig.I usually turned off the standby during breaks, but if I forget , no biggie.If I turn power and standby both on at first on the Fender 400 P.S., it blows the fuse;it needs to warm up before throwing the standby.It has a warning placard on top stating such.
My band's guitarist turns the whole thing on and off for breaks etc;his Marshall has had no problems,yet, from doing that.

I don't have that worry now, from using solid state amps;but I always wondered why the Vox Westminster has a standby switch position that it doesn't need.

Re: Switching valve amps on and off

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:00 am
by soundmasterg
Amps that use receiving tubes, which would be all musical instrument amps, do not need a standby switch. There are a couple special cases such as the Fender 400 PS mentioned earlier, and an Ampeg SVT can use one too though it is not strictly necessary. People usually want to recommend a standby switch so that you don't have the problem of cathode stripping. With receiving tubes and the voltages used on them, cathode stripping is not an issue. It says something to that effect in the RCA tube manual, and I believe also in the Radiotron Designer's Handbook (RDH4). If something is using transmitting tubes at the voltages those often run at, say upwards of 700 volts, then cathode stripping can become an issue and standby is helpful or in some cases necessary for the tube life.

Now don't get me wrong..... a standby switch can be useful, especially in a live environment in between sets to mute the sound. The typical way to do this in the circuit is to interrupt the B+ high voltage supply to the tubes but there are other ways to do it that are less brute force and work equally well. The B+ interrupt method does have advantages from the repair standpoint as it is handy to be able to shut of the high voltage at times for the repairman. Many vintage amps such as the 5E3 Tweed Fender Deluxe never had a standby switch and the tubes in those last a loooong time. Amps with a GZ34/5AR4 rectifier tube will have a slow warm up time anyway as that tube has that built into it's function, so amps that use that rectifier tube have even less reason to use standby except for the muting feature.

Turning amps on and off when you use them is not good for the tubes and will make them wear quicker, especially rectifier tubes, which are already spotty on reliability these days. If you do a sound check and then will be not playing for 3 hours or something, then it is best to shut the amp off, and turn it on again a bit before the show so the tubes will warm up. If you do a blues jam or something and you put it on standby in between sets then that is a good use of a standby circuit and protects the tubes and their life much better than turning it off between sets.

Most musicians expect that an amp should have a standby switch and think of it as being a cheaper amp if it does not. This is mostly due to conditioning and internet scuttlebutt since most people, especially in the US, grow up with Fender amps that usually have a standby switch.