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Gilmourisgod wrote:That's a drag, you'd think they would take some extra care on a high-profile custom color. If the bubbling was just a barely perceptible thing that didn't get any worse, I guess you could live with it, though at those prices, I'm not sure why you should. Unfortunately, the track record is that it gets worse over time. As to the action, they seem to ship basses with very high nut action, some nonsense about "user preference", but I don't know any users who "prefer" a high nut. There is really only a tiny range of nut height variations that will yield a comfortable action in the low registers. The high action may be related to neck movement during shipping from the US to UK, though I've seen similar horrendous setup (or lack thereof) on Rics for sale at Guitar Center, and that's presumably coming in on trucks, not a container ship. They do NO setup when they get them, just slap them up on the wall. I love that BRG color, maybe they will get this finish fiasco resolved eventually.
Actually the nut height wasn’t too bad, for a new Ric. It was everything else setup-wise that was bad. :wink: I do however attribute this mainly to neck movement in transit to the UK, but why they don’t sort them out in the shops I don’t know.

I feel the same about the BRG and I’m torn about the used one, as it’s such a good price. I just wish I’d been able to get a better idea of the playability and sound from the BRG I tried as the used one is on the opposite side of the country and I don’t drive. The one I played felt and sounded so different to the Rics I own due to setup and pickup height issues, it was impossible to get any idea what it would feel and sound like with both adjusted accordingly.
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henry5 wrote:
Gilmourisgod wrote:...I don’t drive...
By Michael Gartner, editor of newspapers large and small and president of NBC News. In 1997, he won the Pulitzer Prize for editorial writing:


My father never drove a car. Well, that's not quite right. I should say I never saw him drive a car. He quit driving in 1927, when he was 25 years old, and the last car he drove was a 1926 Whippet.

"In those days," he told me when he was in his 90s, "to drive a car you had to do things with your hands, and do things with your feet, and look every which way, and I decided you could walk through life and enjoy it or drive through life and miss it."

At which point my mother, a sometimes salty Irishwoman, chimed in: "Oh, bull----!" she said. "He hit a horse." "Well," my father said, " there was that, too."

So my brother and I grew up in a household without a car. The neighbors all had cars -- the Kollingses next door had a green 1941 Dodge, the VanLaninghams cross the street a gray 1936 Plymouth, the Hopson’s two doors down a black 1941 Ford -- but we had none.

My father, a newspaperman in Des Moines, would take the streetcar to work and, often as not, walk the 3 miles home. If he took the streetcar home, my mother and brother and I would walk the three blocks to the streetcar stop, meet him and walk home together.

My brother, David, was born in 1935, and I was born in 1938, and sometimes, at dinner, we'd ask how come all the neighbors had cars but we had none. "No one in the family drives," my mother would explain, and that was that. But, sometimes, my father would say, "But as soon as one of you boys turns 16, we'll get one."

It was as if he wasn't sure which one of us would turn 16 first. But, sure enough, my brother turned 16 before I did, so in 1951 my parents bought a used 1950 Chevrolet from a friend who ran the parts department at a Chevy dealership downtown. It was a four- door, white model, stick shift, fender skirts, loaded with everything, and, since my parents didn't drive, it more or less became my brother's car.

Having a car but not being able to drive didn't bother my father, but it didn't make sense to my mother. So in 1952, when she was 43 years old, she asked a friend to teach her to drive. She learned in a nearby cemetery, the place where I learned to drive the following year and where, and a generation later, I took my two sons to practice driving.

The cemetery probably was my father's idea. "Who can your mother hurt in the cemetery?" I remember him saying once.

For the next 45 years or so, until she was 90, my mother was the driver in the family. Neither she nor my father had any sense of direction, but he loaded up on maps -- though they seldom left the city limits -- and appointed himself navigator. It seemed to work.

Still, they both continued to walk a lot. My mother was a devout Catholic, and my father an equally devout agnostic, an arrangement that didn't seem to bother either of them through their 75 years of marriage.
(Yes, 75 years, and they were deeply in love the entire time.)

He retired when he was 70, and nearly every morning for the next 20 years or so, he would walk with her the mile to St. Augustin's Church. She would walk down and sit in the front pew, and he would wait in the back until he saw which of the parish's two priests was on duty that morning.

If it was the pastor, my father then would go out and take a 2-mile walk, meeting my mother at the end of the service and walking her home. If it was the assistant pastor, he'd take just a 1-mile walk and then he'd head back to the church. He called the priests "Father Fast" and "Father Slow."

After he retired, my father almost always accompanied my mother whenever she drove anywhere, even if he had no reason to go along. If she were going to the beauty parlor, he'd sit in the car and read, or go take a stroll or, if it was summer, have her keep the engine running so he could listen to the Cubs game on the radio.

In the evening, then, when I'd stop by, he'd explain: "The Cubs lost again. The millionaire on second base made a bad throw to the millionaire on first base, so the multimillionaire on third base scored.") If she were going to the grocery store, he would go along to carry the bags out -- and to make sure she loaded up on ice cream.

As I said, he was always the navigator, and once, when he was
95 and she was 88 and still driving, he said to me, "Do you want to know the secret of a long life?" "I guess so," I said, knowing it probably would be something bizarre.

"No left turns," he said. "What?" I asked. "No left turns," he repeated. "Several years ago, your mother and I read an article that said most accidents that old people are in, happen when they turn left in front of oncoming traffic. As you get older, your eyesight worsens, and you can lose your depth perception, it said. So your mother and I decided; never again to make a left turn."

"What?" I said again. "No left turns," he said. "Think about it. Three rights are the same as a left, and that's a lot safer. So we always make three rights."

"You're kidding!" I said, and I turned to my mother for support.

"No," she said, "your father is right. We make three rights. It works." But then she added: "Except when your father loses count."

I was driving at the time, and I almost drove off the road as I started laughing. "Loses count?" I asked. "Yes," my father admitted, "that sometimes happens. But it's not a problem. You just make seven rights, and you're okay again."

I couldn't resist. "Do you ever go for 11?" I asked. "No," he said. "If we miss it at seven, we just come home and call it a bad day. Besides, nothing in life is so important it can't b e put off another day or another week."

My mother was never in an accident, but one evening she handed me her car keys and said she had decided to quit driving. That was in 1999, when she was 90. She lived four more years, until 2003. My father died the next year, at 102. They both died in the bungalow they had moved into in 1937 and bought a few years later for $3,000. (Sixty years later, my brother and I paid $8,000 to have a shower put in the tiny bathroom --the house had never had one. My father would have died then and there if he knew the shower cost nearly three times what he paid for the house.)

He continued to walk daily -- he had me get him a treadmill when he was 101 because he was afraid he'd fall on the icy sidewalks but wanted to keep exercising -- and he was of sound mind and sound body until the moment he died.

One September afternoon in 2004, he and my son went with me when I had to give a talk in a neighboring town, and it was clear to all three of us that he was wearing out, though we had the usual wide- ranging conversation about politics and newspapers and things in the news. A few weeks earlier, he had told my son, "You know, Mike, the first hundred years are a lot easier than the second hundred." At one point in our drive that Saturday, he said, "You know, I'm probably not going to live much longer."

"You're probably right," I said.

"Why would you say that?" He countered, somewhat irritated.

"Because you're 102 years old," I said.

"Yes," he said, "you're right." He stayed in bed all the next day.

That night, I suggested to my son and daughter that we sit up with him through the night. He appreciated it, he said, though at one point, apparently seeing us look gloomy, he said: "I would like to make an announcement. No one in this room is dead yet."

An hour or so later, he spoke his last words: "I want you to know," he said, clearly and lucidly, "that I am in no pain. I am very comfortable. And I have had as happy a life as anyone on this earth could ever have." A short time later, he died.

I miss him a lot, and I think about him a lot. I've wondered now and then how it was that my family and I were so lucky that he lived so long. I can't figure out if it was because he walked through life or because he quit taking left turns.


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jps wrote: © Michael Gartner
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He wrote this article about his father. I came across it in an old issue of American Bungalow.
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What is the "c" for?
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jdogric12 wrote:What is the "c" for?
Isn't that the age old question? :lol:
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jdogric12 wrote:What is the "c" for?
Last I knew, it was for cookie, but the times, they are a changing.
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teeder wrote:
jdogric12 wrote:What is the "c" for?
Last I knew, it was for cookie, but the times, they are a changing.
That's good enough for me! :lol:
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henry5 wrote:
I’ve actually been offered an as-new BRG for an extremely good price, no bubbling I’m aware of. But I’m loathe to buy it in case it bubbles at a later date. Odd really I suppose, as I’d spend more on a vintage bass with dings and scrapes and not bat an eyelid. Not that it’s the bubbling that bothers me so much as the possibility of it flaking off. But buying a new instrument with a finish defect and no discount just seems wrong on all levels.
I’d take the one with no bubbling and ‘epoxy bed’ the tailpiece. This will minimize it pressing into the finish damaging the clear coat.

Info here:

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/the-ri ... t-20985171

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/the-ri ... t-20985374
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coolhandjjl wrote:
henry5 wrote:
I’ve actually been offered an as-new BRG for an extremely good price, no bubbling I’m aware of. But I’m loathe to buy it in case it bubbles at a later date. Odd really I suppose, as I’d spend more on a vintage bass with dings and scrapes and not bat an eyelid. Not that it’s the bubbling that bothers me so much as the possibility of it flaking off. But buying a new instrument with a finish defect and no discount just seems wrong on all levels.
I’d take the one with no bubbling and ‘epoxy bed’ the tailpiece. This will minimize it pressing into the finish damaging the clear coat.

Info here:

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/the-ri ... t-20985171

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/the-ri ... t-20985374
That's certainly an option worth considering. I've just Googled Minwax and it looks like we don't have it in the UK. Any ideas?
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Any type of woodworkers epoxy should work. It just needs to be the kind for tooling/profiling/shaping, not for adhesion purposed like glue. You want a two-part product, it's typically an epoxy resin and a hardener. They are usually sold together, but not always. There’s also the venerable ‘Bondo’ that body shops use. That company also make a woodworkers variant, might be the same stuff.

In any case, practice with a scrap piece of hardwood with a route and depressing a dummy metal part in it to learn the characteristics of whatever you use.

You could even go into a woodworkers store and tell them you want to ‘glass bed’ something. They should know what you are trying to achieve. I’ve been told gunsmiths do this to some rifle barrels.
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henry5 wrote:...it looks like we don't have it in the UK. Any ideas?
Road trip, well, plane trip in your case, to the land that has it all (good and bad). :wink:
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Maybe it's time to revive the old penny/washer trick! :idea:

Simpler to do, may yield a similar result! 8)

Again, YMMV
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coolhandjjl wrote:Maybe it's time to revive the old penny/washer trick! :idea:

Simpler to do, may yield a similar result! 8)

Again, YMMV
Well I do have plenty of metal washers... :wink:
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