Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (teeder) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:27 am

I can't see the bass, since I don't have instagram, so I don't know what it looks like, but here are a couple comments:

Years ago I had everything lined up to make sandcast aluminum TP's just like the old ones. I laser scanned one of my old ones to make the pattern from. I would have been able to make 6 at a time and total cost with machining (minus plating) was under $100.00 per unit. Obviously, I couldn't get an OK from Mr. Hall, so I didn't move any further.

I also have a design that is an add-on to the existing TP that allows palm muting with no modifications. If I ever get some free time, I'll make a few up with my 3d printer for a test run.

So much **** in my head and not enough time to do anything with it. :roll: :wink: :lol:
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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (cjj) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:26 pm

Here are a few pics...
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I have NO idea what to do with those skinny stringed things... I'm just a bass player...
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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (Korladis) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:45 pm

cassius987 wrote:
thisismusicinc wrote:I like the will to do something completely different


This. 8)

Gilmourisgod wrote:Anybody know if that's the new standard 4003 bridge, or just a teaser for this limited run? Hard to believe they'd go to all the trouble of new design and casting if that wasn't going to be the new version. I fervently hope so, it's the single most common gripe, and this version retains the classic look. You still won't be able to palm-mute behind the bridge pup, but I think its a decent tradeoff for easily adjustable intonation and string spacing. Hopefully they beefed up the casting thickness while they were at it.


Casting it for a limited run only does seem odd, but who knows.

If the "teeth" could even just be lowered a sukosh and the adjustment knobs replaced with something lower profile, it would probably allow facile palm muting on most Rics. I can already palm mute the E, A and D strings pretty well on my 4003S with the stock bridge. It's just the G string that's tricky. However, on a fretless Ric it's a different story - have the bring the saddles down quite a bit more without the frets, and this makes palm muting near impossible.

Never really been a concern for me, since I never palm mute.

I suspect that Al doesn't, either.
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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (Korladis) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:46 pm

teeder wrote:I can't see the bass, since I don't have instagram, so I don't know what it looks like, but here are a couple comments:

Years ago I had everything lined up to make sandcast aluminum TP's just like the old ones. I laser scanned one of my old ones to make the pattern from. I would have been able to make 6 at a time and total cost with machining (minus plating) was under $100.00 per unit. Obviously, I couldn't get an OK from Mr. Hall, so I didn't move any further.

I also have a design that is an add-on to the existing TP that allows palm muting with no modifications. If I ever get some free time, I'll make a few up with my 3d printer for a test run.

So much **** in my head and not enough time to do anything with it. :roll: :wink: :lol:

It's also on their FB.
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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (teeder) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:12 pm

Korladis wrote:
teeder wrote:I can't see the bass, since I don't have instagram, so I don't know what it looks like, but here are a couple comments:

Years ago I had everything lined up to make sandcast aluminum TP's just like the old ones. I laser scanned one of my old ones to make the pattern from. I would have been able to make 6 at a time and total cost with machining (minus plating) was under $100.00 per unit. Obviously, I couldn't get an OK from Mr. Hall, so I didn't move any further.

I also have a design that is an add-on to the existing TP that allows palm muting with no modifications. If I ever get some free time, I'll make a few up with my 3d printer for a test run.

So much **** in my head and not enough time to do anything with it. :roll: :wink: :lol:

It's also on their FB.


Which I'm also not on.
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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (Kiddwad57) » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:53 pm

Nice to see the forward motion!
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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (thisismusicinc) » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:32 pm

Rickenbacker has posted on facebook and instagram:

Newly re-engineered tailpiece, two RIC-made treble bezels with each 4003AC, AND... a single dual action truss rod.

In the comments they say about the tailpiece, " we love our friends at Schaller, but this one is 100% organically Rickenbacker produced!"

:shock: :) 8)
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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (cassius987) » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:54 pm

thisismusicinc wrote:Rickenbacker has posted on facebook and instagram:

Newly re-engineered tailpiece, two RIC-made treble bezels with each 4003AC, AND... a single dual action truss rod.

In the comments they say about the tailpiece, " we love our friends at Schaller, but this one is 100% organically Rickenbacker produced!"

:shock: :) 8)


8) Thumbs up on all counts. That's awesome. Looking forward to seeing the tailpiece and bezels. Been thinking a single truss rod would make a lot of sense.
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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (cheyenne) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:07 pm

Although, I'm not a fan of the bass, I do like the new bridge, and I think I like the single rod. just curious though, one of the unique things about Rick basses has been the "replaceable" truss rods.

I wonder if this can still be done?
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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (rickaddict) » Thu May 02, 2019 2:37 am

Very interesting. I might have to snag one!

I like the dual high gain pickups with the height-adjustable surrounds, and the pickup positioning looks like it would give some great tonal options. I'd do some minor, easily-reversible mods to it to suit my tastes but it looks very interesting.

Nice to see some new ideas coming from RIC!
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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (teeder) » Thu May 02, 2019 10:22 am

and the pickup positioning looks like it would give some great tonal options.


+1. I'd like to hear that.
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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (bassduke49) » Thu May 02, 2019 10:57 am

Good to "hear" from you, Jeff T.! :D
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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (henry5) » Fri May 03, 2019 1:06 pm

teeder wrote:I can't see the bass, since I don't have instagram, so I don't know what it looks like, but here are a couple comments:

Years ago I had everything lined up to make sandcast aluminum TP's just like the old ones. I laser scanned one of my old ones to make the pattern from. I would have been able to make 6 at a time and total cost with machining (minus plating) was under $100.00 per unit. Obviously, I couldn't get an OK from Mr. Hall, so I didn't move any further.

I also have a design that is an add-on to the existing TP that allows palm muting with no modifications. If I ever get some free time, I'll make a few up with my 3d printer for a test run.

So much **** in my head and not enough time to do anything with it. :roll: :wink: :lol:


$100 per unit? Even with the cost of adding plating, I'd have bought a couple! Shame you couldn't get the go-ahead.
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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (cassius987) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:27 pm

Has anyone got their hands on one of these yet? I am thinking about pulling the trigger, assuming I can find one...
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Re: Introducing the Al Cisneros Signature 4003S

Postby (ilan) » Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:02 am

Looks like Rickenbacker are going through their own Henry J era right now.
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