Please enlighten me on High Gains

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Please enlighten me on High Gains

Postby (Sérgio) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:35 pm

I'm new to the Rickenbacker world and right now I'm learning about the history and specs of high gain pickups.

A couple of doubts:


Did they always come with the gray isolated lead wire, or are there Rickenbackers with fabric-coated black and white lead wires (like the ones Fender uses) too?


I've seen high gains with just one hole on the magnet, like this

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And with the six holes where the pole pieces are, like so

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Is there a variation of manufacturers or does that vary throughout time?
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Re: Please enlighten me on High Gains

Postby (collin) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:57 pm

1. They've always had the isolated grey wire, all the way back to earliest production (1970).

2. You're looking at the difference between the adjustable pole piece models and non-adjustable. The non-adjustable models were made from about 1973 - 2007 (? not exactly sure on the year there), when the adjustable polepiece hi gains were introduced.

For me, the cool part about the adjustable polepiece pickups that that you can unscrew the polepieces, insert them into the threads from the magnet side without modifying anything, and fit a Toaster cover. Entirely reversible modification, too.
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Re: Please enlighten me on High Gains

Postby (jps) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:08 pm

Sérgio wrote:...are there Rickenbackers with fabric-coated black and white lead wires (like the ones Fender uses) too?

Those are Chinese fake pickups. Well, they (hopefully) produce a sound, but they are not made by RIC.
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Re: Please enlighten me on High Gains

Postby (Sérgio) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:36 pm

collin wrote:1. They've always had the isolated grey wire, all the way back to earliest production (1970).

2. You're looking at the difference between the adjustable pole piece models and non-adjustable. The non-adjustable models were made from about 1973 - 2007 (? not exactly sure on the year there), when the adjustable polepiece hi gains were introduced.

For me, the cool part about the adjustable polepiece pickups that that you can unscrew the polepieces, insert them into the threads from the magnet side without modifying anything, and fit a Toaster cover. Entirely reversible modification, too.



Thing is, MOST high gains I see, both in person and on the web, have not the 6 holes, but just one on the center. Funny...
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Re: Please enlighten me on High Gains

Postby (Sérgio) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:48 pm

jps wrote:
Sérgio wrote:...are there Rickenbackers with fabric-coated black and white lead wires (like the ones Fender uses) too?

Those are Chinese fake pickups. Well, they (hopefully) produce a sound, but they are not made by RIC.



Interesting.

I myself have never seen a counterfeit high gain pickup. All fake Rics I've seen have very gross toaster-like pickups on them.
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Re: Please enlighten me on High Gains

Postby (jps) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:26 am

Sérgio wrote:
jps wrote:
Sérgio wrote:...are there Rickenbackers with fabric-coated black and white lead wires (like the ones Fender uses) too?

Those are Chinese fake pickups. Well, they (hopefully) produce a sound, but they are not made by RIC.



Interesting.

I myself have never seen a counterfeit high gain pickup. All fake Rics I've seen have very gross toaster-like pickups on them.

I'm referring to any that have Fender-like leads coming out of them.
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Re: Please enlighten me on High Gains

Postby (collin) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:45 pm

Sérgio wrote:
collin wrote:1. They've always had the isolated grey wire, all the way back to earliest production (1970).

2. You're looking at the difference between the adjustable pole piece models and non-adjustable. The non-adjustable models were made from about 1973 - 2007 (? not exactly sure on the year there), when the adjustable polepiece hi gains were introduced.

For me, the cool part about the adjustable polepiece pickups that that you can unscrew the polepieces, insert them into the threads from the magnet side without modifying anything, and fit a Toaster cover. Entirely reversible modification, too.



Thing is, MOST high gains I see, both in person and on the web, have not the 6 holes, but just one on the center. Funny...


Must be earlier ones, then.

The adjustable pole piece Hi Gains are threaded all the way through the bobbin and the holes extend through the magnets.
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Re: Please enlighten me on High Gains

Postby (Korladis) » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:23 pm

Sérgio wrote:
collin wrote:1. They've always had the isolated grey wire, all the way back to earliest production (1970).

2. You're looking at the difference between the adjustable pole piece models and non-adjustable. The non-adjustable models were made from about 1973 - 2007 (? not exactly sure on the year there), when the adjustable polepiece hi gains were introduced.

For me, the cool part about the adjustable polepiece pickups that that you can unscrew the polepieces, insert them into the threads from the magnet side without modifying anything, and fit a Toaster cover. Entirely reversible modification, too.



Thing is, MOST high gains I see, both in person and on the web, have not the 6 holes, but just one on the center. Funny...

The adjustable pole piece version hasn't been around for as long.
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Re: Please enlighten me on High Gains

Postby (riknbkr330) » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:19 pm

Just replaced my '81 Hi Gains with other Hi Gains, but noticed that the replacement doesn't have the hole in back, or it's been potted.

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Re: Please enlighten me on High Gains

Postby (Sérgio) » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:40 pm

collin wrote:1. They've always had the isolated grey wire, all the way back to earliest production (1970).

2. You're looking at the difference between the adjustable pole piece models and non-adjustable. The non-adjustable models were made from about 1973 - 2007 (? not exactly sure on the year there), when the adjustable polepiece hi gains were introduced.

For me, the cool part about the adjustable polepiece pickups that that you can unscrew the polepieces, insert them into the threads from the magnet side without modifying anything, and fit a Toaster cover. Entirely reversible modification, too.



See, Colin, I think the first high gains came out of the factory with the single hole magnets...

https://reverb.com/item/4592149-rickenb ... s-set-of-2

https://reverb.com/item/14724757-ricken ... iginal-usa

I'm curious about precisely when they started being made with the six pole piece holes all through the magnets...
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Re: Please enlighten me on High Gains

Postby (Dom) » Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:30 pm

Are those center hole pups from the 70’s? My ‘71 steel with the transitional post-horseshoe HiGain has it in the center. My ‘87 through ‘91 HiGains all have no holes. The late 80’s fiber tops I love have none, same with the ‘98...that one has the combined HiGain/toaster bobbin but are pre-adjustable pole pieces. I’d honestly prefer the lead in the center than the side where they can easily get pinched but that’s more of an issue using the foam spacers instead of the grommets. Gotta be easier to wind & secure with the lead terminating on the sides.
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