'Horseshoe' question

johnhall · Post by **johnhall** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:32 pm

Actually, if you'd do some research, you'd learn that under both U.S. and E.C. law you can't sell them without permission of the trademark holder, no matter your intention.

You can certainly modify your property any way you see fit, but you can also make it unsaleable in the process.

The horseshoe has been offered for sale continuously since 1931 in one form or another. In any case, what? Do you think we hire idiots for lawyers?

As I have said before, we'll bring these back for individual sale when and only when the infrigement is brought under control.

winston · Post by **winston** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:37 pm

Amen to that one.

wim · Post by **wim** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:07 pm

John: are there that much infringements on this item?
I've no idea actually, I can't imagine another manufacturer producing horseshoe style pickups.
I mean, I've never seen them on any other guitar than a Rickenbacker

johnhall · Post by **johnhall** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:10 pm

There's one major infringer and two minor ones.

jps · Post by **jps** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:30 pm

I know of Lollar and Rick Turner, who is the third?

"As I have said before, we'll bring these back for individual sale when and only when the infrigement is brought under control"

Does this mean the HS pickups will be readily available once this issue has been finished?

wim · Post by **wim** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:46 pm

I just saw that lollar pickup, but it's for steel guitars? I don't see how this would fit a bass guitar without further modifying. It'd be a waste of money when you can get the real thing from RIC for $150

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:27 pm

Lollar makes two different horseshoes; one is for 8-string steels and one for bass, with four polepieces.

wints · Post by **wints** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:19 pm

You can still pick up original 'shoes for between $100-200 if you are patient and know where to look.

Get the genuine thing!

soundmasterg · Post by **soundmasterg** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:02 pm

And get a pickup with way weaker magnets than they had originally due to the magnets losing their strength over the years?

Not for me thanks.

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:15 am

Give me a 4003 high gain ... I have no romantic feelings for 60's weak pickups ... I had a 1968 4001 with a working horseshoe pickup ... that bass didn't get the job done ... I got a 73 for a gigging bass it worked better ... then I got an 89 4003 and that was even better yet ... I don't buy anything older than 1986 these days ... the horseshoe is very pretty but it is another 4001 anachronism ...

lucky · Post by **lucky** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:14 am

You've got to have a bit of romance.Going to the music live in birmingham on saturday so i will do a test,4003 v 4001c64.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:59 am

Let's think out of the box here...

Magnets are made, not born.

It's been my own experience that electric motor repair shops and automotive generator/starter motor rebuilders have magnetizing devices. They can remagnetize a horseshoe, or increase the gauss, for a few bucks...

winston · Post by **winston** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:04 am

Amen again

wints · Post by **wints** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:49 am

Paul is, as usual, correct. You can regauss old magnets and that will give an increase in the desired sound. Don't expect it to sound like a 90's hot hi-gain tho'....

The horseshoe is an aesthetic want it seems in most instances. It would appear sound comes secondry for most. Tone, being subjective, is always subtle from horseshoes. This is not an in your face sound like the later pick ups produce.

Those wishing for a genuine 60's look AND sound would be able to use original horseshoes with all levels of gauss, and in most cases will be happy.

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:01 am

some of the old horseshoes don't regauss ... steel doesn't make a good magnet ... that's why the reissue horseshoes have alnico magnets ...