"But sir...!"captsandwich wrote:"Have the Rolling Stones killed."phlemmy wrote:i loved their scene on the Simpsons.
"Do as I say!!"
"But sir...!"captsandwich wrote:"Have the Rolling Stones killed."phlemmy wrote:i loved their scene on the Simpsons.
I would have to vote for Jonathan Richman and the Modern Lovers.nyrkickazz1 wrote:Who would you give that distinction to?phlemmy wrote:I don't consider the Ramones to be the first punk band.
About both, imho. Perhaps attitude "dictated" the sound and maybe vice versa as well.phlemmy wrote:This all leads to another question...was punk about the sound or the attitude?
I think that there is a certain element of the attitude dictating the sound and vice versa, but I think that there are two other major factors: musicianship and equipment. Many of the musicians in these groups were certainly not the virtuosos whose tones and techniques they were attempting to emulate. I think that in the case of the '60's proto-punks, you had a large number of guitarists who were trying like crazy to be Brian Jones, Keith Richards, Jeff Beck, etc. and in doing so, they obviously came to their limitations and in doing so, they defined the suitably "controlled slop" of this era. Also, a lot of these guys were playing on Harmony, Danelectro, especially Vox, and who knows what other cheap imports from Japan. While these guitars sound great, they are limited in quality and tone. As such, I think that the proto-punks were more defined by the sound, then attitude (trying to have the distilled essence of the Stones, et al).sowhat wrote:About both, imho. Perhaps attitude "dictated" the sound and maybe vice versa as well.phlemmy wrote:This all leads to another question...was punk about the sound or the attitude?
The Stooges, listen to Raw Power, you'll never listen to any of the other so called punk bands the same again, punk is a meaningless label by the way. No band since has ever come close to that kind energy put on record, puts all the modern bands to shame. Released and recorded in 1972. Alice Cooper was a rock pop band, I liked them but they were a show, so were the Ramones, The Stooges were for real, you can hear it in their music and you could see it when they played, saw them in 69.tamborineman wrote:plus one on the Trashmen,I love that song. I witnessed Iggy and the Stooges in 1968. they were definately the proto type for a lot of punks to come.
Interesting point, Bob, but personally, i cannot completely agree. First, i never get tired of them, but that's just my own attitude. Second, as far as "played exactly what they wanted to..." — personally, i cannot imagine Ramones playing what they didn't really want to, or do something they didn't want to (like, cut their hair, or change leather jackets and torn jeans to smart suits, etc).They [Ramones] were great but got very tiresome after you heard the 4th song that sounded exactly like the first three did. They had their poppy moments also, got polished after a while. The Stooges were the only band I can think of who played exactly what they wanted to without caring what anyone said or though including their record companies who didn't know what to do with them.