atomic_punk wrote:I know it's not "first", but don't forget about the Orange County scene with the Dead Kennedys and bands like that...(I LOVED the DK!!) They railed on political correctness, politicians taking over the world (California Uber Alles), and the general "growing up in the OC with no future" thing...
Dead Kennedys were from San Francisco, which was completely different than the OC scene. The Adolescents and Social Distortion were from OC, and pretty much defined the "OC sound."
The first time I heard the term "hardcore", it was in reference to Minor Threat and Black Flag.
There were other bands in the UK doing what became known as "punk" before the Pistols. In fact, their manager approached another group, "CockSparrer", to try to enact his vision on them. When he refused to buy a round, they showed him the door. He then decided to use the kids hanging around his shop for his big money making venture.
The Ramones played their instruments in a way no one had done before-loud, nonstop jackhammering, and with very little dynamics. Often a song would have the guitar and bass play from start to finish with no change in tempo or stops. Nobody was doing this, and their songs were about their everyday lives and the things they did and saw. The Stooges and MC5 were still doing a rock based thing with their own twist, love it, but not really breaking away enough from what was going on to be it's own grnre. While both bands couldn't be matched for what they did, their whole deal was still mainly sex, drugs, and rock and roll. The Sonics sound the way they do because of the horrible recording gear that was used. All of that fuzz and distortion they had was not intended, simply a product of substandard microphones and such. They, of course, were happy to be successful with that sound, but it was certainly not meant to be a catalyst for a "scene".
The British love to make everything a "movement" with it's music subcultures. "Teds" "Mods" "Rockers" "Skinheads"-and that's just up to the late 60s-are prime examples of these musically driven subcultures. The US punk thing was more of a happening that went to England and got repackaged as some sort of revolutionary armegeddon. When you listen to the diversity of the initial music of that time, there really wasn't a scene "formula" until the Pistols public packaging. It was really quite a marvel of pop culture marketing, and still is. Unfortunately, it killed everybody elses career that fell in to the "punk" category, and created the need for a different name-New Wave.
The Pistols made some great music and some great albums, even if they don't quite fit the purists definition of what punk should be. I've never understood how the Clash always seem to get a walk on this, as they were on a major label, and had other people put their image together. I love a lot of their stuff, but they weren't the most honest about their ages, motivations, and inspirations. This wouldn't be such an issue if it wasn't for the whole posturing that goes along with being "the only band that matters".
Englands 2nd wave of punk was much more honest, down to earth, and completely street level. Unfortunately, it went hand in hand with the whole football hooligan thing at the time, and some bands and followings were/are very loyal supporters and gigs would often turn out to be bootfests. To add insult to injury, some-very few-had affiliations with unpopular political organizations that allowed the media and the government to dismiss the entire scene in an even more unpopular light. British Prime Minister at the time-Margaret Thatcher-was so frightened by this whole "movement" that she actually had special police groups(SPGs) infiltrating concerts and stuff and doing their best to make it very undesirable to be involved in any of it. Pretty sad how out of control this whole fiasco got, and how you never see any of the bands of this era mentioned in the history books. Ever wonder why punk in the UK seems to end with the Pistols and turn in to something else untill grunge comes over? Too bad, there is some great punk rock-The Exploited, Angelic Upstarts, Blitz, Crass, Cockney Rejects, Chron-Gen, Red Alert, Subhumans, Peter and the Test Tube Babies, Toy Dolls,The Business, and Vicious Rumours just to name a few. Even 1st wave UK punk like Stiff Little Fingers, Buzzcocks, Damned, and Siouxsie and the Banshees continued to play, but still hardly ever get a mention. Even the Ramones, who toured almost nonstop for 30 years, got little recognition outside of their audience until just a few years before they broke up.
It's no surprise how different the scenes sounded, as punk is mainly geared to being about what you know, and what is around you. The social and economical structures of the different societies of the time really dictate genre as it relates to it's geographical location, much as Rap/Hiphop has become.