Where is John's 1996?

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Postby (oreca) » Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:51 am

Yeah it is Ringo who apperently owns it...
I have a slightly higher quality picture of that same one Peter posted...

It isn't as big tho...

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Postby (larrywassgren) » Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:55 pm

Ringo definitely owns the guitar and it is one of his prized possessions. Maybe one day we'll be lucky enough to see photos of it again.
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Re: Where is John's 1996?

Postby (sped55miles) » Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:09 pm

yup this is true Ringo has it.
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Re: Where is John's 1996?

Postby (redamber) » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:02 pm

I recently acquired a much-treasured re-issue of John Lennon's Rose Morris 1996, in (Amber) Fireglo - amazing to think that so much seminal music came from guitars as small as JL's 325 & 1996!

I understand that this re-issue run was started in 2006 (based on accurate research into the Rose Morris models of the 1960s) and that two separate batches were completed before the re-issue was discontinued. My RM 1996 is dated 2008, so I assume it comes from the second or later batch.

Does anyone on RRF know how many RM 1996s were produced in each of the batches (and thus in total) between 2006-08?

My apologies, if this has been covered previously on an earlier forum.
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Re: Where is John's 1996?

Postby (krick) » Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:40 pm

The 1996 reissue is one of my favorite models. I have owned several and you can check out some others registered here:

http://www.rickresource.com/register/in ... celebrity=

As far as I know, there were two examples built in late 2005 for display at the NAMM show in January 2006. One is listed in the register and I own the other one. There were some made in early 2006 since the register shows a few with serial numbers indicating production in the 3rd. and 6th. week. I believe that most were made in mid 2006 since there are many listed with serials indicating production in the 20th., 26th., 28th., and 29th. week of that year. I don't know of any produced in 2007. The final batch appears to have been produced in the 32nd. week of 2008 to complete the orders. The main difference I have noted between the batches is in the Amber Fireglo finishes. They have varied quite a bit. There were also a few produced in Jetglo.

There are several threads on the RRF about this model and you can find them by using the search feature near the top of the page.
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Re: Where is John's 1996?

Postby (deaconblues) » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:10 pm

Wow, this has to be one of the oldest threads on the RRF...
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Re: Where is John's 1996?

Postby (redamber) » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:04 pm

krick wrote: As far as I know, there were two examples built in late 2005 for display at the NAMM show in January 2006. One is listed in the register and I own the other one. There were some made in early 2006 since the register shows a few with serial numbers indicating production in the 3rd. and 6th. week. I believe that most were made in mid 2006 since there are many listed with serials indicating production in the 20th., 26th., 28th., and 29th. week of that year. I don't know of any produced in 2007. The final batch appears to have been produced in the 32nd. week of 2008 to complete the orders. The main difference I have noted between the batches is in the Amber Fireglo finishes. They have varied quite a bit. There were also a few produced in Jetglo.


Thanks for that comprehensive reply, Kevin. The serial no. of my 1996 is 08 32xxx, so it looks as if it was part of this final batch. Certainly, the colour is closer to an Amber Fireglo than a standard Fireglo - the giveaway is the fret-markers, which are distinctly yellow, rather than pearloid white.
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Postby (scoobster28) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:15 pm

larrywassgren wrote:Ringo definitely owns the guitar and it is one of his prized possessions. Maybe one day we'll be lucky enough to see photos of it again.


It was featured in Andy Babiuk's Beatles Gear book.
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Postby (JakeK) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:54 pm

scoobster28 wrote:
larrywassgren wrote:Ringo definitely owns the guitar and it is one of his prized possessions. Maybe one day we'll be lucky enough to see photos of it again.


It was featured in Andy Babiuk's Beatles Gear book.


It was mentioned, but not featured. When I say mentioned, I mean that how John got it and that Ringo owns it. But there were no photos of it.
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Re: Where is John's 1996?

Postby (redamber) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:51 pm

Sorry to confuse the issue unnecessarily, but I was advised recently that, according to Phil Harris (a UK-based guitarist who writes a regular column in 'Guitar and Bass' magazine), Ringo does NOT own the Rose Morris that John borrowed, even though it always states in books that he does. He said that it was left at Tittenhurst Park (John's then Ringo's home) and was sold on. The person who bought it is keeping very quiet though. He also said that there was going to be an article in Guitar and Bass magazine about it. I have no idea whether this story is true, but it does make you wonder! Has anyone ever asked Ringo?

Whatever the truth, I am just chuffed to own a mint 2008 re-issue of the 1996 Rose Morris in Amber Fireglo.
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Re: Where is John's 1996?

Postby (Melma) » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:54 am

It still belongs to Ringo, who even used it on a solo album some years ago. (Rather, he allowed someone in his backing band to play on it for one of the songs).
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Re: Where is John's 1996?

Postby (Melma) » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:55 am

That's the version of events thus far, anyway - if Ringo came out and said "oops, I got the wrong Ric!" then I'd be open to changes.
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Re: Where is John's 1996?

Postby (jwilli) » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:50 pm

Melma, any reference to that? Who played John's old RM 1996 on one of Ringo's old albums?
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Re: Where is John's 1996?

Postby (blaine63) » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:44 am

Here's a picture of the 1996 (lower on the page) in John's studio around 1967.

http://www.boinkwithme.com/nick/beatles ... _john.html
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Re: Where is John's 1996?

Postby (jwilli) » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:45 pm

I would have a real hard time believing that one of John's guitars was sold out from under him. Period.



redamber wrote:Sorry to confuse the issue unnecessarily, but I was advised recently that, according to Phil Harris (a UK-based guitarist who writes a regular column in 'Guitar and Bass' magazine), Ringo does NOT own the Rose Morris that John borrowed, even though it always states in books that he does. He said that it was left at Tittenhurst Park (John's then Ringo's home) and was sold on. The person who bought it is keeping very quiet though. He also said that there was going to be an article in Guitar and Bass magazine about it. I have no idea whether this story is true, but it does make you wonder! Has anyone ever asked Ringo?

Whatever the truth, I am just chuffed to own a mint 2008 re-issue of the 1996 Rose Morris in Amber Fireglo.
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