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beatboy77 wrote:No worries fellas, all mods are 100% reverseable and we have saved all the original parts. Lets not forget, this guitar is without doubt well known due to its association to Harrison. Changing some plastic around as a tribute to him in no way deminishes this guitar's history. It is just another chapter in its life :D

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If I remember correctly the Suzi Arden 360/12 was strung like a 'standard' 12-string - i.e. on a downstroke you hit the thin course before the thicker course. George Harrison's 12-string was the first one to reverse that. Did you also replace the nut and the bridge on your 1963 12-string guitar? That would be a little more intrusive than just changing some plastic around (and the tailpiece).

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stsang wrote:
beatboy77 wrote:No worries fellas, all mods are 100% reverseable and we have saved all the original parts. Lets not forget, this guitar is without doubt well known due to its association to Harrison. Changing some plastic around as a tribute to him in no way deminishes this guitar's history. It is just another chapter in its life :D

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If I remember correctly the Suzi Arden 360/12 was strung like a 'standard' 12-string - i.e. on a downstroke you hit the thin course before the thicker course. George Harrison's 12-string was the first one to reverse that. Did you also replace the nut and the bridge on your 1963 12-string guitar? That would be a little more intrusive than just changing some plastic around (and the tailpiece).

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Simon
When the guitar was received it was in somewhat rough condition. The nut served basically no purpose any longer as it has been monkeyed with and the bridge was missing nuts and saddles were damaged. We kept all original parts and replaced the nut and saddles with authentic vintage pieces we were able to acquire. The stringing is now the same as Harrison's.

As mentioned previously, the guitar was purchased as a tribute to The Beatles as they are the reason the guitar has notoriety anyway. Let’s not fool ourselves, if it was not for The Beatles, most likely Rickenbacker would not have become as well known as it now is and because of one strum of “THE” chord, the 12-String electric guitar was introduced to the world. This is the only other 360/12 from 1963 other than Harrison's. It has EVERYTHING to do with Beatles history from that respect.

I now encourage us to move on from #1 having new plastic on it and focus on some of the other amazing instruments in the picture. Next week we will do our first spotlight on the 1962/1963 LH Hofner 500/1 bass, they only other known in existence from McCartney’s. This is a true gem!

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beatboy77 wrote:When the guitar was received it was in somewhat rough condition. The nut served basically no purpose any longer as it has been monkeyed with and the bridge was missing nuts and saddles were damaged. We kept all original parts and replaced the nut and saddles with authentic vintage pieces we were able to acquire. The stringing is now the same as Harrison's.
Thanks for indulging my curiosity! :) Sorry that we're so fixated on the #1 12-string, but this is the Rickenbacker Resource Forum. That #1 is a landmark instrument and many of us were very curious what had happened to it. :wink:

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Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
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oh my gosh, the nut was replaced. how bad was the original nut messed up before you replaced it? i understand replacing it if what was on there was not the original nut anyhow, but if it was the original nut but just hacked up a bit, if even not totally smoothly playable, i wouldn't have replaced it - because that's a big part of the history of that guitar! By putting on a harrison-correct nut, that's kinda not a good idea, and pretty intrusive. If the original nut was still on there, couldn't you have just restored it? Usually when restorations are done, they're done to restore things to the original condition, in this case stringing up the nut with "normal" octave coursing. I really don't like this idea for such a historically important guitar.

Edit - found a pic before the nut replacement. I mean, that nut doesn't look TOTALLY destroyed, does it? And in that form it still has the "standard" octave coursing. I totally would not have taken that nut off!

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beatboy77 wrote:It has EVERYTHING to do with Beatles history from that respect.
It has no more to do with Beatles history then the 3rd, 4th, 5th, so on and so forth 360/12. I think people would just like a clear answer as to why it has to be this guitar. There are other vintage 360/12s that are more accurate to the Harrison guitar, cost less, and don't carry the same historical signifigance as this guitar. Surely you are able to understand why this is confusing.
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Jahn wrote:oh my gosh, the nut was replaced...
Nobody has even mentioned yet that the original cooker style control knobs were replaced with the small black ones.... *duck*

P.S. At least the toaster pickups are still there...
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Just FYI, here's Björn Eriksson's info page on Suzi Arden's 12-string Rickenbacker, some great photos here:
http://rickbeat.com/modelslibrary/360-1 ... 2-1963.htm
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stsang wrote:Just FYI, here's Björn Eriksson's info page on Suzi Arden's 12-string Rickenbacker, some great photos here:
http://rickbeat.com/modelslibrary/360-1 ... 2-1963.htm
These pictures are from 14 years ago when the guitar was in better condition then what we received it in. It unfortunately had been neglected over the past decade or so. The original nut has been retained as have all the other original plastics. The orignal nut had been filed so much that it no longer was functional. It also had large chunks of bakelite broken from it. There was no option but to replace, even if we keep it Arden-spec. We have a policy that all of the guitars in the collection are in "studio-ready" quality. To get this guitar to that point, it was completely necassary to replace the nut.

Regarding Rickenbackers, we have some other gems which we will spotlight in the weeks to come, of them, we will feature a 1964 325 JG solidtop and a 1964 Rose Morris 1996 with 2 o'clock f-hole.

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opticnerve wrote:
IvanMunoz wrote:

after all Rickenbacker did invent the electric guitar and the electric 12 string,
Sorry, but Danelectro came out with the electric 12 string in 1961.
Stratosphere had one in the late 50s.
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beatboy77 wrote:Next week we will do our first spotlight on the 1962/1963 LH Hofner 500/1 bass, they only other known in existence from McCartney’s. This is a true gem!
Are you going to glue a BASSMAN sticker onto that gem?

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Obviously your gear, you can do whatever you want; more power to you. But many feel there is something to preservation of history. It saddens many to see something of historic value altered. And the idea that the Harrison 12 is the more famous 12 so that was your goal? If you owned Mustang #1 off the assembly line, would you turn it into a Steve McQueen Bullitt Mustang just because that is the more famous model?

(By the way, the first Mustang ever built was sold to an airline pilot. He didn't change a thing on it. That car today is as it was the day it came off the assembly line. First ever Mustang. History preserved. Kind of sad that can't be said about Ric's first 12.)

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beatboy77 wrote:These pictures are from 14 years ago when the guitar was in better condition then what we received it in. It unfortunately had been neglected over the past decade or so. The original nut has been retained as have all the other original plastics. The orignal nut had been filed so much that it no longer was functional. It also had large chunks of bakelite broken from it. There was no option but to replace, even if we keep it Arden-spec. We have a policy that all of the guitars in the collection are in "studio-ready" quality. To get this guitar to that point, it was completely necassary to replace the nut.
Yes, Bjorn's photos were from 1998. It's very sad to hear about the neglect inflicted on that guitar. I wonder what happened to it during that period. If you could indulge us further with more photos of its current condition that would be greatly appreciated.
beatboy77 wrote:Regarding Rickenbackers, we have some other gems which we will spotlight in the weeks to come, of them, we will feature a 1964 325 JG solidtop and a 1964 Rose Morris 1996 with 2 o'clock f-hole.
Look forward to that too.

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Grey wrote:I think people would just like a clear answer as to why it has to be this guitar.
I think it is a bit presumptive to think that this guy owes anybody here an answer. He had the money, made the purchase, end of story. He can do whatever he wants to with it, even chop it into firewood if he so desires. I understand the significance of the history behind this guitar. I personally would not have altered it. But I will defend his right to do so.


Check this out for a real hack job. :shock:

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tcsmit29 wrote:I think it is a bit presumptive to think that this guy owes anybody here an answer. He had the money, made the purchase, end of story. He can do whatever he wants to with it, even chop it into firewood if he so desires. I understand the significance of the history behind this guitar. I personally would not have altered it. But I will defend his right to do so.
That's all well and good. I hope you'll respect my right to question someone on what I see as a ridiculous decision.
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