Source for short pole toaster magnets wanted
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- Hotzenplotz
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Source for short pole toaster magnets wanted
Exactly:
In a lot of threads I read that these are quite common. Unfortunately there was never a company named selling them.
What I'm looking for are alnico 5 magnets, 1/2" diameter and 3/8" height.
Now I know that a ratio of 1:4 for diameter:height is needed for the magnet completely working. Below that the magnet starts "to fight against itself".
- Maybe that's part of the recipe to realise that special capri sound?
But still I don't know where to buy...
- Here in Germany we still have got the metric system...
BTW: Any guess which size the long pole magnets have got?
As usual: Every input ist highly appreciated!
In a lot of threads I read that these are quite common. Unfortunately there was never a company named selling them.
What I'm looking for are alnico 5 magnets, 1/2" diameter and 3/8" height.
Now I know that a ratio of 1:4 for diameter:height is needed for the magnet completely working. Below that the magnet starts "to fight against itself".
- Maybe that's part of the recipe to realise that special capri sound?
But still I don't know where to buy...
- Here in Germany we still have got the metric system...
BTW: Any guess which size the long pole magnets have got?
As usual: Every input ist highly appreciated!
Re: Source for short pole toaster magnets wanted
The only reason these are rare is that they've never been sold as spare parts from RIC, and were only available on guitars during a few different periods of production (late 50s, late 60s and then 2004 onwards for C-series reissues).
While I have not personally done this, I have heard of people cutting the magnets on a long pole toaster. It's certainly possible I just don't know the procedure.
In my opinion, the tone of a Capri is mostly because of the body shape/depth, not the pickups.
While I have not personally done this, I have heard of people cutting the magnets on a long pole toaster. It's certainly possible I just don't know the procedure.
In my opinion, the tone of a Capri is mostly because of the body shape/depth, not the pickups.
Re: Source for short pole toaster magnets wanted
If someone does this, are they long enough to make a spare set?collin wrote:I have heard of people cutting the magnets on a long pole toaster. It's certainly possible I just don't know the procedure.
In my opinion, the tone of a Capri is mostly because of the body shape/depth, not the pickups.
Re: Source for short pole toaster magnets wanted
I don't believe so. From what I recall, the length that sticks into the bobbin is like 2/3 of the total magnet length, so the remainder cutoff of each one would be too short to use elsewhere.jdogric12 wrote:If someone does this, are they long enough to make a spare set?collin wrote:I have heard of people cutting the magnets on a long pole toaster. It's certainly possible I just don't know the procedure.
In my opinion, the tone of a Capri is mostly because of the body shape/depth, not the pickups.
The magnets pop out, there is just a small dab of glue holding each one in the bobbin.
Re: Source for short pole toaster magnets wanted
collin wrote:the remainder cutoff of each one would be too short to use elsewhere.
That's a bummer, man.
Re: Source for short pole toaster magnets wanted
Refrigerator magnets!collin wrote:jdogric12 wrote:collin wrote:...the remainder cutoff of each one would be too short to use elsewhere..
Re: Source for short pole toaster magnets wanted
Here's an ebay store with a variety of magnets for sale, a few with a 1/2" diameter, 3" long, which means you'd have to section these yourself:
https://www.ebay.com/str/erickmagnahold ... 7675.l2563
This same store, however, seems to imply that there is some customization available regarding length:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Alnico-grade-5 ... SwH5NcomWW
You get five pieces of varying diameters, but likely you could request/substitute all the same 1/2" diameter.
You could always ask the seller a question, tell him what you're looking for dimensionally. This guy seems to be specializing in magnets, as that is only what he sells. Occasionally I need something a little different from an ebay seller; they accommodate you, send (email) you an invoice. Well, seems worthwhile checking out; precisely cutting off sections seems like a big PITA, and ending up with a product that probably won't be as nice as this pro can provide.
https://www.ebay.com/str/erickmagnahold ... 7675.l2563
This same store, however, seems to imply that there is some customization available regarding length:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Alnico-grade-5 ... SwH5NcomWW
You get five pieces of varying diameters, but likely you could request/substitute all the same 1/2" diameter.
You could always ask the seller a question, tell him what you're looking for dimensionally. This guy seems to be specializing in magnets, as that is only what he sells. Occasionally I need something a little different from an ebay seller; they accommodate you, send (email) you an invoice. Well, seems worthwhile checking out; precisely cutting off sections seems like a big PITA, and ending up with a product that probably won't be as nice as this pro can provide.
Re: Source for short pole toaster magnets wanted
Wouldn't 1/2 an inch diameter be a very, very fat magnet - fatter than it was long and far too fat to fit into a toaster pickup? I'm wondering if Hotzenplotz means 1/4 inch.
However, at 3/8 inch length, even that would mean that the magnet was only 1.5 times longer than its width. That's not much, and certainly nowhere near the ratio of 1:4 he quotes.
To achieve a 1:4 ratio, a 1/4 inch diameter magnet would need to be 1 inch long, and a 1/2 inch would need to be 2 inches long!
Take a look at the photos in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=176878
There's no way those magnets are 1/2 inch diameter. If they were, the pickup would be enormous!
Hotzenplotz, if you're used to working in metric:
1/2 inch = 12.7mm
3/8 inch = 9.525mm
1/4 inch = 6.35mm
However, at 3/8 inch length, even that would mean that the magnet was only 1.5 times longer than its width. That's not much, and certainly nowhere near the ratio of 1:4 he quotes.
To achieve a 1:4 ratio, a 1/4 inch diameter magnet would need to be 1 inch long, and a 1/2 inch would need to be 2 inches long!
Take a look at the photos in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=176878
There's no way those magnets are 1/2 inch diameter. If they were, the pickup would be enormous!
Hotzenplotz, if you're used to working in metric:
1/2 inch = 12.7mm
3/8 inch = 9.525mm
1/4 inch = 6.35mm
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Re: Source for short pole toaster magnets wanted
FYI - I did not study these:
https://www.stewmac.com/electronics/pic ... gnets.html
Related Google search. You can do this yourself (enter your own search terms in your search engine) and get more locally available (Germany, EU) magnets.
https://www.google.com/search?ei=8WqIX7 ... ent=psy-ab
https://www.google.com/search?q=alnico+ ... AHoECAQQAQ
https://www.mojotone.com/guitar-parts/Alnico-5#/
http://pickupbuilders.com/alnico-5-rod- ... t-top-187/
Typical guitar magnets are mostly just under 0.200 inches (1/5"). An average diameter, say, of 0.190 in. = 4.8 mm.
BTW, I was visiting threads over on the RIC website, and an awful lot of those now have a half page of error messages, and all the dialog is missing from all the individual posts.... bad news.
https://www.stewmac.com/electronics/pic ... gnets.html
Related Google search. You can do this yourself (enter your own search terms in your search engine) and get more locally available (Germany, EU) magnets.
https://www.google.com/search?ei=8WqIX7 ... ent=psy-ab
https://www.google.com/search?q=alnico+ ... AHoECAQQAQ
https://www.mojotone.com/guitar-parts/Alnico-5#/
http://pickupbuilders.com/alnico-5-rod- ... t-top-187/
Typical guitar magnets are mostly just under 0.200 inches (1/5"). An average diameter, say, of 0.190 in. = 4.8 mm.
BTW, I was visiting threads over on the RIC website, and an awful lot of those now have a half page of error messages, and all the dialog is missing from all the individual posts.... bad news.
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Re: Source for short pole toaster magnets wanted
espidog wrote:
There's no way those magnets are 1/2 inch diameter. If they were, the pickup would be enormous!
Hotzenplotz, if you're used to working in metric:
1/2 inch = 12.7mm
3/8 inch = 9.525mm
1/4 inch = 6.35mm
Absolutely right, Sir!
I was wrong, of course I meant a 1/4" diameter. I am very sorry for this confusion! Kinda typo mistake: the 2 is closer to the left index finger than the 4.
@ all: I'm impressed! Thank You all - a lot of knowlwdge, background links and ideas! I'm sure that will help very much.
Now I want to dive into that input and start some more reasearch.
- I'll keep You informed.
Thanks again!
Re: Source for short pole toaster magnets wanted
I forgot to include this link:
https://www.creamery-pickups.co.uk/cust ... ckups.html
I was hoping that there would be some information here. It seems that all the magnets are LONG 1/4", even on the vintage style pickups.
There are a lot of smart guys here. Maybe one will pluck out a short magnet, measure and post the dimensions.
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Here you go, with the 1:4 ratio.....Alnico Grade 5 Rod Magnet, 1/4" diameter x 1" length:
https://www.magnetshop.com/alnico-grade ... -2116.html
Here's the link for the basic ordering page, where you can specify your desired diameter and length. Maybe you'll end up needing or wanting something else:
https://www.magnetshop.com/alnico-rod-magnets.html#1
https://www.creamery-pickups.co.uk/cust ... ckups.html
I was hoping that there would be some information here. It seems that all the magnets are LONG 1/4", even on the vintage style pickups.
There are a lot of smart guys here. Maybe one will pluck out a short magnet, measure and post the dimensions.
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P.S. -
Here you go, with the 1:4 ratio.....Alnico Grade 5 Rod Magnet, 1/4" diameter x 1" length:
https://www.magnetshop.com/alnico-grade ... -2116.html
Here's the link for the basic ordering page, where you can specify your desired diameter and length. Maybe you'll end up needing or wanting something else:
https://www.magnetshop.com/alnico-rod-magnets.html#1
Re: Source for short pole toaster magnets wanted
I also prefer Alnico V for bridge pickups. Anybody try Alnico II for the neck pickup magnets? In other guitars I own where I had a choice, I like the subtly softer tone of Alnico II for neck pickups.
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Re: Source for short pole toaster magnets wanted
So far I decided to got two ways:
1. I'll call a few pickup shops that offer restoration work for pickups.
2. Obviously there's no click and pay solution. So I have to find somebody that offers some affordable custom work.
- Well, the next evenings a few mails to write...
Thank You for the links and tons of input!
1. I'll call a few pickup shops that offer restoration work for pickups.
2. Obviously there's no click and pay solution. So I have to find somebody that offers some affordable custom work.
- Well, the next evenings a few mails to write...
Thank You for the links and tons of input!