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The Liberty recordings

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I would very much like to engage a few of the avid "historians" on this forum in a discussion of the rare and much critized Liberty singles. I have myself now finally got hold of the two "regular" of the three Image or four: as Roy Clough also speaks about a mystical release: "Shoot 'em up baby"): Umbrella Man and Kinky Kathy Abernathy. I have wanted them for years, and finally countryman and equal great Searchers-fan Einar R. in Trondheim sent me two of his old copies, as I fixed the purchase of the last Iron Door CD from amazon. I now have I think,( apart from the abovementioned 2 other Liberty-singles) everything the group has ever released of songs, on vinyl or CD )which is a satifaction for all collectors I suppose). But to the records: Are there any written information, any references in interviews etc. to these releases? I briefly spoke to Frank and John about them in my interview with the band last november in Plymouth ( ref: subject in this forum: "Article in norwegian newspaper",) and I remember John giving the impression they didn't think too much about them, at least not now. And laughing hard about the "Pasha"-single. I didn't write anything about this in my article, naturally (I didn't have that much space), but now I would love to hear opinions? Personally I kind of like Kinky Kathy .., it makes me laugh. It is really sort of what we in Scandinavia call "danceband"-music, w. reference to big orchestras and smooth 60s/70 groups who founded a sound that is also often characterized as "swedish-top" music (at least in Norway) Whereas "Umbrella" is a more typical Searchers harmony-song ( although the tune isn't that strong in my opinion), Kinky Kathy has this happy-go-lucky scandinavian-like refrain and rhythm. Very un-Searchers-like, I feel, but maybe not..? It really also sounds like an attempt to join the Eurovision Melody contest - and there's a lot to be said about that ...
What do you others feel about these songs, those of you have them, or actually have listened to them. And to the flip-sides: Susanna and Over the Weekend (the last a Frank Allen-song - pretty weak and equally "Eurovision song-contest", I think). Glad to hear opinions.
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"Umbrella Man" is a much under-rated single and "Shoot 'Em Up Baby" is quite good as well = both well up to The Searchers' standard. "Kinky Kathy Abernathy" and (the 'PASHA' single) "Somebody Shot The Lollipop Man"/"Pussy Willow Dragon" are what I would call 'novelty' tracks - designed for the late 60s. In my view 'Lollipop Man' is in the same vein as Keith West's "Excerpt From A Teenage Opera" )with its 'Grocer Jack' line). "Over The Weekend" and "Suzanna" are self-penned B-sides which The Searchers did throughout their recording career from the PYE days. All the LIBERTY tracks were on a REPERTOIRE label CD of (about) 10 years back.
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I agree "Umbrella Man" was a good single, not sure I concur with "Shoot Em Up" though. "Suzanna" was a great track, far better than "Kinky". As for the Pasha single least said the better, During the Liberty, I believe I am correct in saying thar for some tracks session musicaians were used, only Searchers involvement being Mike's vocal.

I have also been puzzled by the fact that in 1969, Frank introduced the track "Don't Shut Me Out" as a new single, this was in the Liberty period. Track never released but surfaced on the RCA CD released by Tarragon
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I would love to know the inspiration for Suzanna. It reminds me very much of a song recorded by Peter, Paul and Mary entitled Poly Von. The similarity between these songs is quite striking from a lyrical and musical perspective.
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By the way, Roy Clough makes a number of interesting comments about the Liberty recordings here.
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Not sure about the inspiration for this song, as the actual subject matter is related to suicide, unless I'm missing the plot.

I believe I am correct in stating that one of John's Daughters is called Suzanna though and song title is probably inspiration through the connection
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Frank said only last week that The Searchers only involvement with the Liberty material was to add vocals. Everything else was done by session musicians

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Why didn't the Searchers play on these records?What's the story behind that?
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David: This may have been an attempt to break out of the "old groove" and get a fresh new start in the charts under a different name.
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Post by tim »

That's definitely the motive behind releasing the "Somebody Shot The Lollipop Man"/"Pussy Willow Dream" 45 under the name of 'Pasha'.
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According to press reports Ihave subsequently read The Searchers did not want to put their name to the Pasha Single, I covered this in the article "Take it Or Leave It".

Virtually all the Liberty releases were just a vehicle for the Producer Kenny Young, who wemnt on to have some success as a producer in the seventies. The Searchers were probably still a bit shell shocked from having been dropped by Pye and I beleive were just glad to be still recording and went along with anything they were told.
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My 2 cents worth on the Liberty track "Umbrella Man".Great song.The hand clapping is infectious being a feature of the song .This combined with the strings and a soulful Mike Pender vocal makes for an intriguing and catchy record. I'd like to see this one brought back for their live performances along with Popcorn Double Feature I might add.
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"Umbrella Man" maybe (for the all-evening shows), "Popcorn Double Feature" no way!
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Re: The Liberty recordings

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Can Roy or somebody tell me if Chris Curtis is singing on this? I know it wasn't released until the 90's per Roy's comment on his video....



It sounds like Chris, but I know John does high harmony as well.

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No this was allegedly recorded while at Liberty but turned up on RCA Second Take CD, so I ahve to assume it was recorded during the RCA years, asked John once but he either didn't want or couldn't remember.

I do recall however Frank Allen introducing it as their new single back in 69 at some dingly club they were playing.

It never surfaced I'll ask Frank again as there are 1 or 2 tracks on the CD which are strange.
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