12-String Setup Advice

ngwca · Post by **ngwca** » Mon Oct 28, 2002 12:46 am

I have a 360/12 and have seen the McGuinn video. He suggests tuning down to release tension on the neck. Does anyone know if this is necessary? I haven't tried it yet. Since this would make the strings looser, I guess, how does it affect playability? Sorry if these sound like dumb questions. Your opinions are appreciated.

admin · Post by **admin** » Mon Oct 28, 2002 4:14 am

Nigel: Provided your 12-string is setup properly there is no reason to tune down from concert pitch. That is to say, you will not harm the instrument. A benefit is to be had by tuning down as far as playability is concerned. This really comes down to the type of strings you use and your playing style and preference. I personally see the merits of tuning down when using strings of higher tension such as Pyramids or other flat wounds. If you are using the RIC 12-string sets, keeping your instrumewnt at concert pitch results in a very comfortable feel. This is a very good question and we will hear how others feel about this I am sure.

markthemd · Post by **markthemd** » Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:09 am

There are a couple of other reasons that Roger does not mention as to why this is done .

1-E flat works with an older voice (we all get lower voices with time) .

2-It is easier to lower the tuning half a step and play the same old fingerings rather than transpose them .

3- the G octave is the tightest tensioned string on the guitar , and lowering the pitch eases some of this tension and gives longer life to that string . This is some thing that Rusty Young did in POCO ...using the steel with several .009 strings and raising the pitch on thos strings , the guys got tired of the snapping of these strings . Poco recorded and played live in E flat . It was also easier to hit the 'high' harmony . George did not have to put a clamp on his head (or other body part).

grsnovi · Post by **grsnovi** » Mon Oct 28, 2002 11:45 am

Interesting that you would mention Poco... I was looking at cd's yesterday and almost picked up one of the Poco compilations out there. I'd seen them numerous times AFTER both Messina and Furay left (and almost, but not quite on the reunion tour).

Rust apparently played a white Gibson 335-12 at some point as I saw one offered for sale at one of the Texas guitar shows years ago (of course, I never actually saw him play anything other than steel and a thing he called "the bear" at any live shows).

I keep both of my RIC 12's tuned to concert pitch (A440). I spent some time noodling on the 370 yesterday before breaking down and plugging it in...

markthemd · Post by **markthemd** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 5:33 am

The Rick 12 string (any model ) is made to be tuned to 'Concert Pitch' .

Using other tunings is fine ,and lots of fun... but lowering the pitch also requires that you move your bridge/saddles away from the neck . You will need about 1/16" more compensation than normal .

ngwca · Post by **ngwca** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 10:13 am

Excellent advice. Thanks Mark and Peter. I struggle with some bar chords with my 360/12 and thought I might be able to make it easier on myself by tuning down. I just need to keep practicing. Of course, it would be really easy with no strings at all, but the sound would be a little hollow probably!

lawnjockie · Post by **lawnjockie** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 10:29 am

All together now...."the sound, of silence"...

lawnjockie · Post by **lawnjockie** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 10:37 am

I've played with several 12 string players who did in fact tune down a half step...and use a capo on the first fret...the idea being (I suppose) to ease playing. I must mention that these were Taylor acoustics...which I find extremely easy to finger no matter what position you are playing in.

leftybass · Post by **leftybass** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 10:51 am

My Rickenbacker 12's are tuned to concert, but I have a 1972 Martin D-12-20 I tune to E-flat--this guitar has no neck adjustment and I'm not fond of getting the neck reset anytime soon....Iguess I just feel better that its E-flat--a false sense of security??

corey · Post by **corey** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:27 pm

It's all about the word "psychosomatic" here...

Baving faith in our own little "tricks and tips" is half the battle.

I'd say the other half would be not being too proud to ask Mark Arnquist.

pilant · Post by **pilant** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 4:32 am

Another thing to consider with tuning down, chords
having open strings will probably sound different
than you are used to; even taking into account the
tuning.

For instance, take a guitar tuned down a full step
and a fingered E chord is a D chord. Compare this
to a D chord on a guitar tuned to concert pitch
and there is quite a difference.

I've used this technique a couple of times to get
a much fuller sound... Mostly on 6 strings. I
probably don't need it with my 360/12 FG