Stupid 12 string question.....

guitarking2001 · Post by **guitarking2001** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 7:13 am

So just out of curiosity... Is it customary to tune ric 12 strings the same as a regular 6 string (In E), or is it intended to be tuned a whole step lower as how 12 string acoustics (I have heard) are supposed to be tuned?

dougp · Post by **dougp** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 7:27 am

The necks/truss rods of some cheaper 12-string electrics can't handle the string tension and need to be tuned down to keep the neck straight, but this is definitely not a problem with a Ric 360/12.

leftybass · Post by **leftybass** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 7:27 am

Matt, it just depends on who you want to believe. A Rickenbacker 12 is designed to withstand standard pitch tuning without damage to the guitar, although for the moment I tune my own Rick 12's to Eb and just capo up if I want standard pitch.

I have a Martin D-12-20 that I keep tuned to D, and I use light-gauge strings on it. I use 10's on the Rickenbackers(except the 325/12 which has 12's)......

grsnovi · Post by **grsnovi** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 1:07 pm

I have never tuned ANY of my acoustic or electric twelve strings down. I've owned two acoustics: Framus Texan and a Martin DM12 - neither of which EVER had neck problems. Both of my RICs are also tuned to A440

corey · Post by **corey** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 1:11 pm

I keep my 360/12 in standard tuning as well - no problems. (Pyramid flat 10's)

ricnvolved · Post by **ricnvolved** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 4:04 pm

My 360/12V64 stays tuned to standard pitch; never had any problems. Using a custom gauge set of Thomastik-Infeld roundwound Power Brights.

jazzsmith · Post by **jazzsmith** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 3:03 am

On Roger McQuinn's instructional video, he suggests tuning down a half step. He shows how to do this on his Rick/12 and I presume that he does this on the Martin that he plays as well. In the late '60's, Gibson had problems with their B-25 and B-45 12 strings and suggested tuning down a whole step. I have my Pyramid .010 flatwound strung, '67 360/12 tuned down a half step - it plays great, sounds great, is great! I just think that 12 strings LIKE to be tuned down. A famous guitarist told me that he tuned his acoustic 12 string to C# - Leadbelly tuned his to B!!

admin · Post by **admin** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 3:20 am

Ricnvolved: How do you like the sound and feel of the Thomastik-Infeld roundwound Power Brights?

shamustwin · Post by **shamustwin** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 5:52 am

ahem...a stupid question...don't sets of 12 strings come in a lighter guage (9's, etc.)?

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shamustwin · Post by **shamustwin** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 10:38 am

Brilliant! I will be able to do my thrilling solos on twice as many strings!

Once I get my 12 string, that is.

And thanks, I was too lazy to stop by GC and ask them!

grsnovi · Post by **grsnovi** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:42 pm

There were 8's on my 360/12v64 when I got it and frankly they were terrible. I now have the RIC compressed round wound set on it (and on my 370/12) and I love them (they're 10's)

You'll need to do a good set-up to get your neck and intonation set with strings that light.

eddier · Post by **eddier** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 3:56 pm

I am also using RIC compressed roundwounds 10's on my 620/12. It will take A440 tuning, but, I tune it down a half step just because it sounds somewhere between vintage jangle & "Beverly Hillbillies" twang.

shamustwin · Post by **shamustwin** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 3:59 pm

I feel 8's are too light for 6 strings. I was just wondering the feasablility of string stretching solos and 10's paired up seems like a lot of excercise.

eddier · Post by **eddier** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:19 am

Jerry: Actually the RIC Compressed 10's are no problem for solos. Even paired, string stretching is not difficult.
Gary as another RIC 10's user do you agree?