"and its no good trying to speak ill of them to john hall at ric because he is so far up himself he wont take critism. "
This is not telling it like it is. Most of us here have met the man! As for disgraceful, maybe not, but rude, yes.
Quality of "R" tailpieces
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It's this simple. If you have a problem with your new Rickenbacker instrument, raise it with the dealer you bought it from, or contact RIC customer service. That's the proper course of action to take.
Forum members who have raised issues in this manner have reported excellent, personal responses. If you have a beef about quality control, talk to the manufacturer, or their representative, in the first instance. You just might find that a solution to your issue can be found.
This course of action has been suggested a number of times in this and other threads. I haven't seen anywhere in this thread where those people with concerns have actually made any contact with RIC at all.
To ignore this sound advice and then proceed to publicly sink the boot into RIC, John Hall and other forum members in a public place, is out of line and totally unnecessary.
Forum members who have raised issues in this manner have reported excellent, personal responses. If you have a beef about quality control, talk to the manufacturer, or their representative, in the first instance. You just might find that a solution to your issue can be found.
This course of action has been suggested a number of times in this and other threads. I haven't seen anywhere in this thread where those people with concerns have actually made any contact with RIC at all.
To ignore this sound advice and then proceed to publicly sink the boot into RIC, John Hall and other forum members in a public place, is out of line and totally unnecessary.
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I am sure Eddie's sense of good taste and self-restraint will improve with age. A little filing off and deburring of his rough edges under his tailpiece will temper his juvenile enthusiasm and mercifully mellow him a bit, I would think.
But initial impressions based upon his manners and judgment in speech leave a great deal to be desired. And anyone's skill in debating the issues only, while completely avoiding the fundamental errors of going "ad hominem" and of making too-strong initially-polarizing statements that shackle open-minded debate, is a key indicator of one's intelligence, maturity and degree of successful social adjustment...
But initial impressions based upon his manners and judgment in speech leave a great deal to be desired. And anyone's skill in debating the issues only, while completely avoiding the fundamental errors of going "ad hominem" and of making too-strong initially-polarizing statements that shackle open-minded debate, is a key indicator of one's intelligence, maturity and degree of successful social adjustment...
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Recall my earlier post. where I opined:
"...inflammatory words like "shoddy", especially in a topic heading, do have the tendency to raise member's ire or to divide instead of uniting."
Zubair, what purpose does it serve to post all of your own ideas to "improve" Rickenbacker products and RIC's ways of dealing with replacement parts issues, except to show this Forum that you've been thinking about this, and have not done your homework?
Virtually EVERY issue on your "laundry list" has been raised and discussed (sometimes regularly, several times, or done to death) on this Forum and RIC's own factory forum.
In every case, there is a very good reason why things are the way they are, and it can be covered very simply in a discussion focusing on the tiny size but immense experience of the RIC operation, the fact that it is privately-held, with a long, rich tradition, and is very busy filling orders for existing products in the line without arbitrary improvements or generating modified products to satisfy a very small percentage of the market.
I am puzzled by your tailpiece problem, as during one of my recent factory visits, John Hall showed me a new "R" tailpiece, and was very proud of how much better finished it was than previous ones. You may have gotten some from a batch that should have been rejected. Usually, in a small company, a minor change to process can cause repercussions in products which take awhile to sort out.
RIC is committed to quality; every one of the nearly 30 Rickenbacker instruments that I own ranging in age from 1960 till last month, reflects this commitment. I continue to be amazed at two things:
First, that RIC can sell these handcrafted instruments at such remarkable prices.
Second, that there are always naysayers who, with no knowledge of the manufacturing process, have a list of their own preferences which, without researching the available writing on the topic, would like to impose upon others.
Eddie, it is the worst form to join a friendly, informative Forum such as this, and immediately launch into personal attacks, not only upon Forum members in long good standing, but also upon the company who manufactures the objects of our pleasure, and even upon the owner of the company!
"...inflammatory words like "shoddy", especially in a topic heading, do have the tendency to raise member's ire or to divide instead of uniting."
Zubair, what purpose does it serve to post all of your own ideas to "improve" Rickenbacker products and RIC's ways of dealing with replacement parts issues, except to show this Forum that you've been thinking about this, and have not done your homework?
Virtually EVERY issue on your "laundry list" has been raised and discussed (sometimes regularly, several times, or done to death) on this Forum and RIC's own factory forum.
In every case, there is a very good reason why things are the way they are, and it can be covered very simply in a discussion focusing on the tiny size but immense experience of the RIC operation, the fact that it is privately-held, with a long, rich tradition, and is very busy filling orders for existing products in the line without arbitrary improvements or generating modified products to satisfy a very small percentage of the market.
I am puzzled by your tailpiece problem, as during one of my recent factory visits, John Hall showed me a new "R" tailpiece, and was very proud of how much better finished it was than previous ones. You may have gotten some from a batch that should have been rejected. Usually, in a small company, a minor change to process can cause repercussions in products which take awhile to sort out.
RIC is committed to quality; every one of the nearly 30 Rickenbacker instruments that I own ranging in age from 1960 till last month, reflects this commitment. I continue to be amazed at two things:
First, that RIC can sell these handcrafted instruments at such remarkable prices.
Second, that there are always naysayers who, with no knowledge of the manufacturing process, have a list of their own preferences which, without researching the available writing on the topic, would like to impose upon others.
Eddie, it is the worst form to join a friendly, informative Forum such as this, and immediately launch into personal attacks, not only upon Forum members in long good standing, but also upon the company who manufactures the objects of our pleasure, and even upon the owner of the company!
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I am puzzled by your tailpiece problem, as during one of my recent factory visits, John Hall showed me a new "R" tailpiece, and was very proud of how much better finished it was than previous ones. You may have gotten some from a batch that should have been rejected.
Well, I don't know how recent that was but I have 3 fairly recent guitars (from 2005 and 2006) and all of them have quite a few nasty burrs on the underside and on the internal sides of the "R" that should have been cleaned off prior to the chrome application. Some are quite sharp in fact (around the string holding area) and can give your fingers a nasty cut if you're not careful.
Maybe RIC has recently fixed this.
As I've said before, this doesn't overly worry me as all it takes is a little filing, however my 1997 360 never had that roughness on the tailpiece.
These things have a tendency to happen anywhere though. I have a Gibson LP that I had to resolder the wiring harness completely, as the original solder didn't seem to have taken.
That's life. Shift happens.
I have taken the liberty to retain the content of Eddie's posts but have removed the inflammatory content and some of the responses of those who took issue with his words.
As always, I could have edited a little more or a little less but I have tried to strike a balance here. I apologize to those whose posts were removed.
Welcome Eddie. Rickenbackers bring out the passion in all of us and sometimes when instruments do not live up to our expectations the resulting frustration can be overwhelming. At the end of the day, these are things that can be repaired. Emotions, however, are often another matter.
Feel free to comment on Rickenbackers, however, please understand that I cannot allow insensitive interpersonal remarks that are likely to offend others. I believe that, on this Forum, you will find that the love you take is equal to the love you make.
As always, I could have edited a little more or a little less but I have tried to strike a balance here. I apologize to those whose posts were removed.
Welcome Eddie. Rickenbackers bring out the passion in all of us and sometimes when instruments do not live up to our expectations the resulting frustration can be overwhelming. At the end of the day, these are things that can be repaired. Emotions, however, are often another matter.
Feel free to comment on Rickenbackers, however, please understand that I cannot allow insensitive interpersonal remarks that are likely to offend others. I believe that, on this Forum, you will find that the love you take is equal to the love you make.
Life, as with music, often requires one to let go of the melody and listen to the rhythm
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Eddie: Thanks for your comments.
I am sorry that you have missed the point. We all heard what you had to say. It was how you said it that was unsettling to others.
There are many Forums out there that allow people to say whatever they want regardless of the impact on others. This is not one of them.
I am sorry that you have missed the point. We all heard what you had to say. It was how you said it that was unsettling to others.
There are many Forums out there that allow people to say whatever they want regardless of the impact on others. This is not one of them.
Life, as with music, often requires one to let go of the melody and listen to the rhythm
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Sensitivity is one of the great virtues in life. Thank you for your compliment, Eddie! 
Politeness is another virtue, and all we ever ask is that when anyone raises an issue, that it be presented in a polite and thoughtful fashion, and not in such a way that attacks a person directly.
I for one welcome you, and look forward to learning about your particular interests and passions in musical instruments and those that play them. I joined just seven months ago myself, and have learned a great deal more than I have shared on this Forum so far, and a great deal more about Rickenbacker basses and guitars than I ever knew back when I owned and played them professionally in high school and college, or any of the years since.
My greatest hope for you, Eddie, is that you teach me new things about Ricks, and in exchange you have the opportunity to grow and develop in your own knowledge and appreciation for guitars and basses of all makes and models in the process. If you are like me, that will happen as a result of tapping that same firehose of knowledge that the Forumites I've met here over the last seven months have been so graciously willing to share with me so far...
Politeness is another virtue, and all we ever ask is that when anyone raises an issue, that it be presented in a polite and thoughtful fashion, and not in such a way that attacks a person directly.
I for one welcome you, and look forward to learning about your particular interests and passions in musical instruments and those that play them. I joined just seven months ago myself, and have learned a great deal more than I have shared on this Forum so far, and a great deal more about Rickenbacker basses and guitars than I ever knew back when I owned and played them professionally in high school and college, or any of the years since.
My greatest hope for you, Eddie, is that you teach me new things about Ricks, and in exchange you have the opportunity to grow and develop in your own knowledge and appreciation for guitars and basses of all makes and models in the process. If you are like me, that will happen as a result of tapping that same firehose of knowledge that the Forumites I've met here over the last seven months have been so graciously willing to share with me so far...
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and sit in with the band whenever you can, to keep your chops up!
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I disagree with the "out of context" comment.
The context is this Forum, Eddie; Peter has done an excellent job of defining acceptable conduct.
The context is this Forum, Eddie; Peter has done an excellent job of defining acceptable conduct.
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