Awesome Entwistle video

atomic_punk · Post by **atomic_punk** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:29 pm

Usually every form of music has a few innovators, and then once they are successful, less talented second-comers come in and eventually it is so watered down that the genre is over.
I feel Rush created their own niche, and should be able to stay around as long as they like.

henry5 · Post by **henry5** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:43 am

Firstly I'd like to thank Bobcat for post 785 above..Bobcat, in your own words, agreed!!

With regards to taste, taste is a subjective concept and good or bad taste depends entirely on the viewer's preferences/prejudices. With regards to bad taste therefore, I don't believe there is such a thing in the broader sense. There is only what the individual or the group perceives as bad taste, as previously stated. Certainly there are things that I consider to be in bad taste, but others who like them obviously don't agree. And as I haven't been elected the sole arbiter of good taste on the planet (much as I might wish otherwise!) I guess they are probably as right as I am, as difficult as it may be to accept. Who am I to judge? I feel everybody should understand that the world is not just as we see it as individuals. It saddens me when people think their way is the only way; I'm sure most of us are aware where that can lead. Certainly at the least towards anti-creativity, and music should surely be about creativity first and foremost.

In addition, music is an indeterminate artform. It should no more be solely about "songs" than painting should be about solely representing life. Heard of Expressionism? Cubism? They are perfectly valid art forms, but are not the "pretty chocolate box pictures" that many would say is art. Art should never solely be about "pretty pictures", although there is a place for those too. Art, whether music, painting, or any other form, is a means of expression, and should be treated as such. I have argued this ad infinitum, and will doubtless continue to do so as long as I am able. Some strive to reach something deeper, and they should be allowed to do so by whatever method they choose; through them we discover more about ourselves and the world. If prog is "rubbish", what about jazz, which is arguably as advanced a form of musical expression as there is? What about Stravinsky or Mozart or Beethoven, or a million others? There is certainly a place for "well crafted songs" (whatever they are; I'm sure every individual would have different ideas about what constitutes a "well crafted song") in the world, but to imply that that is all there is room for seems narrow minded in the extreme. Personally I love all types of music. There are individual pieces of music or particular artists that I may not really care for, but how can one type of music be inherently superior to another?

And in response to Jeff's comment re disco (and thanks Jeff for lightening the mood, as earnest as the opinion may be!), I love Chic and Bernard Edwards...and indeed the Bee Gees! Bad taste? No, just MY taste....

bob_atherton · Post by **bob_atherton** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:57 am

I'm also not great fan of DISCO but.. I just love the bass lines in Chic and Sister Sledge.

I have found that with age, I'm now 49, I am much more relaxed around different musical genres and my tastes have certainly broadened. If I think a piece of music is ****, then that's what I think, but I believe I give new music more time to prove its self more than I did when I was younger. This philosophy does not apply to Rap music of course, that is all total ****.

henry5 · Post by **henry5** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:10 am

Bob, I'm 42 and there's actually quite a lot of rap I like! Especially Public Enemy and the Beastie Boys...but I'm pretty sure I may be in a tiny minority there Forum-wise

atomic_punk · Post by **atomic_punk** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:25 am

Again, proving my point about innovators and then the less talented come along on their coat-tails...PE and BB are great, the second generation stuff is garbage.

henry5 · Post by **henry5** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:41 am

Well I like Missy Elliott too....(no relation

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sabbath_of_bass · Post by **sabbath_of_bass** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:54 am

I kinda agree along the lines of Steve.

I can respect anything that took talent and skill and someone put a bit of themselfs in.
I used to think r&b sucked... I used to think punk sucked... but once i got past all the main stream junk i realized it wasnt so bad. As for disco.... I probly have never heard more then 2 disco songs... So I cant say. And Rap.... I find that to be a bunch of ****. Sorry but i dont see much talent there. I think its much harder to sing then it is to rap or scream and all that stuff thats going on now.

You dont have to like something. But I think you have to give credit to those who actually work hard at something and put alot into it.

vito · Post by **vito** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:12 am

I'm with ya on PE and BB, Shaun. FWIW.....

bob_atherton · Post by **bob_atherton** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:07 am

My tongue was in my cheek when I made the comment about Rap. I knew it would stir it up a bit. Rap isn't my bag but who am I to really tell anybody it's rubbish?

I guess I felt the same about punk when it first came out. I was on the verge of a recording deal, we always had A&R people at our gigs, then punk came along and there was no deal. At that time I felt that punk was all style and no musical content, but over the years I realise that there was more to it than that.

nattiep · Post by **nattiep** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:47 am

Actually, I like some rap. Eminem is great and Snoop Dog is so smooth. But that's about it. I'd never buy any of those two's records, but I'd think twice about turning them off on the radio.

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:52 am

>>... good or bad taste depends entirely on the viewer's preferences/prejudices<<

And what determines their prefs and prejudices?

Intelligence, education, talent? (i.e. the more of each that one has, the better chance one has good taste?)

In certain circumstances, could Donald Trump and Pam Anderson be shown to have good taste?

To me it's clear that they have no taste and thus taste is not "an entirely" subjective thing (though I don't expect everyone to recognize this.)

When it comes to taste, even Trump, who is clearly educated and smart in business is an aesthetic retard. He has poor taste. That's not subjective. That's a fact.

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:26 pm

snoop dog is smooth ... so is feces ...

Trump has what is called expensive bad taste ... and one of the worst hair cuts in the western world ...

bobcat · Post by **bobcat** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:05 pm

"To me it's clear that they have no taste and thus taste is not "an entirely" subjective thing (though I don't expect everyone to recognize this.)"

[I'm going to make a statement that I don't necessarily believe for the sake of arguing against your point.] To me, it's clear that there is no God, and thus religious matters are not "an entirely" subjective thing (though I don't expect everyone to recognize this.)

Or how about: To me, it's clear that Elvis Presley was a talentless hack and thus his musical ability is not "an entirely" subjective thing (though I don't expect everyone to recognize this.)

For what it's worth, I do agree with you that Donald Trump and Pam Anderson's ideas of style and dignity are worth a little less than five cents, but just because I think that their tastes are worthless doesn't mean they are.

nattiep · Post by **nattiep** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:15 pm

Preach on, Robert!

LOL! (for real) Rath.. you are one of the funniest guys on here.

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:23 pm

thanks ... I try ...

Getting back to Entwistle ... He was one of a few bass players who was comfortable with a pick or just fingers ... he is also credited with inventing or perfecting the typewriter style of bass playing ...

I was just listening to Quadrophenia ... his playing is so sweet and melodic and still in your face ballsy ...

And Trump ... uhhh ... when he goes to his barber does he say "Make my hair look like swirlly road kill"