Grover Titans and Schaller M4S tuners are pretty much the exact same tuner. The only difference I know of is that the Grovers have two screw holes, whereas the Schallers have none. I have a set of Grover Titans on my Odyssey bass, and they're great tuners; not expensive, and very high quality.
As far as what was on Geddy's bass there, they looked like regular Schaller M4 tuners, not the M4S tuners. The M4 tuners have small, closed gears.
I really don't think you could go wrong with any of them.
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:36 am
by nattiep
I could swear they look like the big bulky tuners.
Not sure sure which of these.. Oh well, I have the schallers, that'll save me some hassle.
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 1:24 pm
by cheyenne
Nah,,, some idiot installed the big ones on my '76 4001 somewhere down the line, they're very noticable and cause neck dive. I dont think Geddy would have put up with that.
I say they're the smaller Shallers.
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:08 pm
by geddeeee
They are indeed Schaller M4 tuners!
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:31 pm
by cheyenne
Here's what my 4001 looks like with the big Grovers.
Sorry about the bad pic, its all I have right now. Never mind the poster in the backround.
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:01 pm
by bobcat
Nate, if you're gonna part with the Schaller M4S tuners to get the small M4 tuners, I might be interested . . . they wouldn't happen to be gold, would they?
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:23 pm
by bobcat
Oh, also, I just watched the video again, and basically freeze-framed every time you could see the back of Geddy's headstock (which was actually quite a few times). They're DEFINITELY the Schaller M4 tuners, not the M4S tuners . . . so yeah, Geddy used the small, close-gear ones, Nate, not the ones that you posted above that are pretty interchangeable with the Grover Titans. The tuning key is the same exact size, but the gear itself on Geddy's is not exposed, and it's much smaller (they weigh a lot less). The post is the same size, I believe.
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:32 pm
by nattiep
Nope, not gold, and I'm sure they're the big bulky tuners.
Here are the Schaller M4 tuners.
Here's Geddy's bass.
The M4's are too small.
His has a line in the center of the tuner key. The smaller ones do not. The Grover's and the M4S's have the line, hence the confusion.
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:02 am
by geddeeee
I think the tuners you need are Gotoh GB7. They are sealed like the Schallers and have the bulge in the center. Like a cross between Grover Titan and Schaller M4.
Hope that helps!
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:16 am
by bobcat
Yeah, you're right, the tuning keys are smaller, but Geddy definitely doesn't have open-gear tuners.
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:29 am
by geddeeee
The Gotoh's ARE closed gear.
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:03 am
by bobcat
Oh, I know. I was responding to Nate.
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:23 am
by geddeeee
Aaah, sorry Bobcat!
Re: Rush at Pink Pop '79 - LVS video clip
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:24 pm
by Lefty4001
Bump, sort of. The original video link isn't working, so here's a fresher one. I love Geddy's tone on this.
Re: Rush at Pink Pop '79 - LVS video clip
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:43 pm
by BAD RONBO, KiLLeR DWaRfS
the large schaller and grovers were popular in toronto at that time. i prefered the schaller m4 (12 mm)for my ricks as the peg hole did not have to be enlarged (16mm), thus not altering the peghead. after those large machines, it's difficult to return to original machines without doweling and re-drilling the hole to insert the smaller diameter ferrule.
