4001 Body Shape

aceonbass · Post by **aceonbass** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:16 pm

To quote Jared....."Damn"!

johneek · Post by **johneek** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:27 pm

"Damn" is right!! Wow!!!

jmh · Post by **jmh** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:03 pm

Yes, Jeffrey has quite a collection.....

johnallg · Post by **johnallg** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:29 pm

Jeff, I never knew you had so many! I've seen pics of you playing maybe 5 or 6 different Ricks, but WOW.

rickfan60 · Post by **rickfan60** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:49 pm

Those pics are from the Columbus Confluence of 2005.

The 60's pic features Randy Hawkins' '64 4000, my '63 4001, 4005s belonging to Marc Seligman, Mike Gutierrez, Chris Pappas, and Jeff Scott.

The 70's pic is of my '79 4002, Chris Pappas' '72 4001 (I think), my '75 4080, another early 70's 4001, Marc Seligman's Seafoam '73 4001, another 70's 4001 in FG. I don't remember all of the years and owners anymore.

The 80's pic features my 80' AG 4001, 3 Shadows belonging to me (1) and Chris Pappas (2), my Blackstar and Tuxedo

The 90's pic shows Jeff Scott's V63, my 2030, Paul Boyer's 4004L, my 4004C, my 4003S/8, my V63

The 00's pic is of Marc Seligman's BB 4004Cii, I don't know who owns the 330, Jeff Scott's former 4004Cii, not sure on the middle 2, Paul Boyer's 4003 Monty, a wonderful 360 but I can't remember the owner, and my 4003S/5

twotone · Post by **twotone** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:59 pm

Thanks for all the comments. Geez, you guys are on it. I think the shape thing is perhaps an illusion... something to do with the scratchplate not being so close to the edge as well as the fact that there is no gap between scratch plate & bridge surround & it has checker binding. The head is definitely much longer than my 79. I'll try get some pics this Saturday & post a link next week. TT

twotone · Post by **twotone** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:18 pm

Pricing in the UK. The way it seems to work here in the UK on new & vintage stuff is that what ever is costs in USD is what they go for in GBP so a price of GBP5000 is based on a USD value of $5000. I know that doesn't make sense Exchange rate wise but it seems to be the standard. The best thing to do would be to find one (easily said than done) stateside & fly out for a holiday to get it all probably for less than picking up over here. If I was a US seller I'd be trying to punt all my stuff over here! I also have a completely original 73 Jazz which I thought I'd paid top cash for but they're getting rare over here & selling for around the £2800 mark which is £1000 more than I paid 2 years ago.
Here's a shot of the 79 I have...

ilan · Post by **ilan** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:25 pm

"I think the shape thing is perhaps an illusion..."

It's not an illusion, Saul, the more you look at it the more apparent it becomes. After a while, it takes maybe two obscure frames in a video clip and you're saying to yourself, 'ugh, fat horns'. It definitely bothers me in my '86 Shadow, which otherwise would be perfect. I'm glad RIC went back to the classic 60's body shape with the thin horns, and long headstock with walnut wings. Now bring back the old pickguard shape... please!

teeder · Post by **teeder** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:46 am

Ben,

That "68" at Voltage Guitars is a V63 with '68 parts, if I remember correct.

dswp · Post by **dswp** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:00 am

That is correct Kevin.

8mileshigh · Post by **8mileshigh** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:03 am

Saul,

Was this the one you were looking at?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rickenbacker-4001-Bass-Vintage-1968-ALL-ORIGINAL-MG_W0QQitemZ250017113617QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4713QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

haw · Post by **haw** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:14 am

Tasty. Chequered binding too, quite like that.
I have a question that is kind of related. Who actually designed the body and headstock shapes? Whoever did it was a genius.

fran4001 · Post by **fran4001** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:47 am

I always assumed the design was by master guitarrenbulder Roger Rossmiesl, and the TRC by Mrs. Hall. Very romantic kind of history.

rickfan60 · Post by **rickfan60** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:08 am

Roger left Rickenbacker before the 4000 series evolved to its current shape. His basic design is still evident but the post '60 shape is much more refined. IMHO

haw · Post by **haw** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:22 am

Ok, I found a biog about him elsewhere on this site, although annoyingly nothing I've read says that much about the 4000 series.
Still, some design, and in many ways that's what dragged a lot of us in I expect. It did for me anyway (and THEN I heard the sound they made!).
A pity he's gone though.