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studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:22 am

>>when it comes to the solo, they focus on george who is doing the backing vocals with paul. <<

And that's when you're lucky and you don't get Ringo during the solo, which of course is what happens at the Hollywood Bowl shows.

Not sure anyone's got clean, or has cleaned up, all the Shea footage. I think they only did that for the select bits they used in the doc.

I'd love to see the full Oz show. How many tours did they do there?

davclr · Post by **davclr** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:32 am

Good question Greg ...

I think our only hope is that "someday" Apple will do a first rate legitimate issuing of this concert for DVD. But as of now, we all seem to be in the same boat regarding this one.

There was massive care taken at the time it was filmed in August, 1965, with something like 16 separate 35mm professional motion picture cameras being used.

It was originally made for and was shown in it's complete form in Britain as part of a "TV Special" on The Beatles, but (ironically!) not in the USA with the exception of a few tiny clips from it.

Apple always has had a tendency to be extremely slow in getting stuff like this to the commercial market place. Who knows why.

For example, in spite of many promises made over the years we STILL don't have a "restored" legitimate official version of Let It Be out on DVD. Amazing!!!

davclr · Post by **davclr** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:41 am

Also, regarding that Shea Stadium Concert of 1965. It has always totally cracked me up to see the Beatles being transported in that "luxury" (sic) vehicle of it's day, a 1964 Nash Rambler station wagon as if they were all corn pones borrowing grandpa and grandma Iowa's family car!

davclr · Post by **davclr** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:55 am

Most of the film footage for the Beatles 1964 Hollywood Bowl concert was taken by Los Angeles based KABC TV Channel 7 on 16mm motion picture film who's sole original intent was to use the film piece for that evening's 11:pm TV news telecast.

It was all taken "off angle/stage left" since that was the only filming position the TV news film crew was allowed to use.

And that's a shame!
You would think that with Voyle Gilmore and Capitol Records USA professionally sound recording that 1964 concert that more pre-planning care and thought would have been used, given the historical significance it was given even back then as it all happening real time live.

(I have several friends my age, who attended that Beatles live show sitting in the first few boxes/front rows).

soundmasterg · Post by **soundmasterg** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:21 am

Does anyone know where I could see the Aussie concert from 1965? Someone used to have it up on youtube and I watched it once and then they pulled it. That was the one where some fan came onstage and shook JL's hand in the middle of a song right? I wanted to see it again...it was VERY good and some great tones. Anyone have a copy?

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:19 am

I had always heard that save a song or two, the Shea show was broadcast network wide by NBC about a year later (ten light years later as far as what the Beatles were actually do at that time of course.)

And that's why it was filmed in the first place, for US telecast (also, I believe a lot of it was also shot on video...some of the performance segments. You can see TV cams in front of the stage.)

davclr · Post by **davclr** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:06 am

Glenn, interesting about what you say on the NBC deal.

You maybe exactly right, but I simply don't recall that NBC TV showing of it for whatever the reason .

I do know that a huge fuss was made about that TV film in Britain and (evidently) Brian Epstein was passionate at the time to having it filmed and having it done properly for some undisclosed future purpose.

You see and hear the Beatles themselves discussing the famous Shea Stadium concert event on the DVD Anthology series.

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:05 pm

I know the so called first US visit material was shot here for the BBC I think it was. A friend of mine here told me one of the guys from that crew now is a producer and currently lives in the Dakota.

Epstein got ticked at one of the UK networks in '66 and thus prohibited them from taping the Fab's NME Poll Winners Concert that year, or perhaps one of the few additional chances to catch them live, in color (if that was done in color...perhaps it wasn't, though the US was pretty much all color by then.)

glass_onion · Post by **glass_onion** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:42 pm

they only visited oz once in 64, and yeah during some solos they focus on ringo. The footage of the melb concert is awesome, and great audio too, i can not seem to find the full gig though.

are the hollywood bowl gigs good quality? are they easy to come by?

gregga41 · Post by **gregga41** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:09 am

Harry, i have a copy of the fabs in Melbourne, complete with John doing his best spastic impression, and Paul getting a little testy about it!Ringo finally returns after his illness. It's a Pirate, that unfortunately,breaks down halfway through,and has an amazing amount of the press interviews and crowd greetings they did here! email me off forum and i might get a copy to you!

gregga41 · Post by **gregga41** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:13 am

I agree David, my record shop has been promising the release of "Let it Be" for over 2 years now!
We can't even get "Help" down here on DVD.
AHDN was only released about a year or 2 ago here.
I don't want to risk getting these 2 films on pirate, quality is usually pretty bad.

soundmasterg · Post by **soundmasterg** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:10 am

Greg, I'd love a copy of that too. Since you're in Oz and I'm in the USA, it may be a little harder for you to get it my way though?

Some guy had the whole Oz concert posted on you tube about a year ago with great video and audio. I figured it would be there once I figured out how to copy stuff from streaming vids like you tube, but it was gone and hasn't come back. Someone has "you can't do that" from that concert on there right now, but it isn't a complete version. If Apple was smart they would collect this stuff and make some kind of commercial release so their fans could get it.

beatlefreak · Post by **beatlefreak** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:03 am

Historically, Apple has not put out anything on the Beatles unless it was a "sure thing" to be a million seller. Those of us in Beatles collectors groups and forums have petitioned Apple/EMI repeatedly over the years to release various Beatles projects (LIB included). It always falls on deaf ears.

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:34 am

Also, it's pretty clear that Apple does not have the rights to a lot of this stuff (though I'm sure they've bought up or paid for use for a lot of it, too.)

Back in the day, no one knew there would be rebroadcast and other opportunities for this kind of thing.

Bands were just happy to be paid for the gig and to get the exposure. And probably signed away any rights with the gig contract.

davclr · Post by **davclr** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:10 am

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" ...Back in the day, no one knew there would be rebroadcast and other opportunities for this kind of thing. ... "
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Lot's of truth to what you say here Glenn.

For example, AHDN is one such item. When Brian Epstein cynched the 3 picture movie deal with United Artists and Executive Producer Walter Shenson in late 1963, he also signed away with it all the rights to the movie(s) to revert back to Executive Producer Walter Shenson!

The reason was that NOBODY could come close to even remotely imagining a pop act lasting 7 years or having any influence at all beyond that!

Remember, even Elvis in late 1963/early 1964 was reduced to making 3rd rate movies with totally forgetful soundtrack "filler" songs at that point in his career.

Plus at that watershed point of time in late 1963, The Beatles had yet to make it to American shores and totally explode globally in fame.