My 12 can beat up your 12

sloop_john_b · Post by **sloop_john_b** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:00 pm

Blasphemer!

jdogric12 · Post by **jdogric12** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:04 pm

The only Alembic I've ever played was a 4-str bass. And it was COOL.

beatlefreak · Post by **beatlefreak** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:06 pm

Here's another really great A/B comparison that was posted on the RIC website forum, by forum member Brizilla. He uses a 620/12 that has high gains, then switches out the pickups for toasters. The difference will amaze you! Here's the link to the forum page:
http://www.rickenbacker.com/forum_view_thread.asp?thread_id=3530&forum=Just_Guitars&thread_name=First%20Impressions%20with%20Toasters

And here's the link to the sound file:
http://storeandserve.com/download/540169/toasties.wav.html

winston · Post by **winston** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:03 pm

Jason that was very informative. The 370 had a decided edge in recreating the Byrds sound IMO.

The hi-gains sounded a bit edgier.

Great playing too Jdog.

I love the sound of the Jangle Box. Steve! Based on what I just listened to you should be awfully proud of that pedal.

winston · Post by **winston** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:23 pm

Thanks for the link Kris. There is a huge difference in the sound after the swap took place.

j_gary · Post by **j_gary** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:53 pm

Sorry John, I just wanted to show off that I can actually spell Alembic.

I happen to hear one of their Series 12's, which allows one to split the pups similar to Rick O Sound. Very nice sound. Only problem is they cost as much as a Lemmy.

trancedental · Post by **trancedental** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:04 am

Are all these with all pickups on full?

The high gains sound like they have no middle to me, with a sharper top end. I prefer the toasters, a more balanced sound across the spectrum.

I wonder how much of the difference could be dialed out by amplifier EQ settings?

Thanks for the demo!

admin · Post by **admin** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:14 am

Very nice work J Dog and it is good to hear your voice which adds another dimension to your personality shown here.

I suspect that this riff inspired McGuinn on She Don't Care About Time.

I like the tonality of the 360/12V64 guitar best.

sloop_john_b · Post by **sloop_john_b** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:36 am

I spoke to J briefly on the phone last night, he told me these were recorded into the Janglebox, then a preamp (forget which one!), into Mbox. Recorded with all pickups on full. He may be doing a similar thing with the bridge pickups soon, as I for one use the bridge pickup almost 100% exclusively on my 660/12.

jdogric12 · Post by **jdogric12** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:42 am

The preamp is a Focusrite Trakmaster. Great mono pre for the price.

EDIT: Plus, I did a slight bass roll-off across all three, just to make it sound a little friendlier. And all pickups were full on, with the 5th knob right in the middle.

kog · Post by **kog** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:14 pm

Thanks, Jason, that was a great comparison. (As was that other link to "toasties.wav".

Of course, now I HAVE to go learn "Jesu", darn you!

firstbassman · Post by **firstbassman** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:51 pm

Thanks Jason! Much appreciated.
Also vote for either the 12V64 or the 370. The Higains just don't make it for this type of stuff.
Also agree that any Byrd-like stuff I only use the bridge P/Us.

firstbassman · Post by **firstbassman** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:07 pm

PS: I can't play the Toasties file. Says I don't have the PCM Converter CODEC. Says web link will lead me to DL file. Nope.
And MS says all CODECS are installed in Media Palyer by default.
OK . . . . .

janglebox · Post by **janglebox** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:23 am

J Dog Ñ I just got to the link this morning. Outstanding playing! Great clips and a terrific comparison. As soon as I can get cleared out from all the JB stuff I'm dealing now with, I'll be in touch.

janglebox · Post by **janglebox** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:28 am

J Dog Ñ I just got to the link this morning. Outstanding playing! Great clips and a terrific comparison. As soon as I can get cleared out from all the JB stuff I'm dealing now with, I'll be in touch.