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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:32 pm
by kjazz1958
This guard looks exactly like other guards I have on other 70's basses I own. I do not know how to tell the difference. I am posting a couple more pictures.Image

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:35 pm
by kjazz1958
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:36 pm
by kjazz1958
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:11 pm
by rickcrazy
Well, Kirk, I'm sure your 4001 was made circa mid-1973. The smaller fretboard inlays simply are not there for anyone to make a mistake over. As for the '72 jackplate, it simply can not be original to that Rick. The pickguard looks like a (well made) repro to me. Was the instrument refinished? Definitely. How about a picture of the top of the treble pickup?

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:16 pm
by edski
Was there the dual routing on 72's? Seems to me that would have had to appear later. I've never looked, but I suppose that my Feb 75 4001 has it. It has 1/2" spacing for the neck PU, towards the very last of 4001's to have it. Did any earlier 4001' have 1" spacing?

The binding being checkered seems like something hard to reproduce, that from what folks say around here disappeared in 73 or so? That seems to be the defining feature to me so far.
however, the pot codes (Mexican) are dated March 1973.


Ahhhh, Mexican. Fine stuff back in the 70's. Image Are we sure they were using consistent serial numbers back then? My bud has a Les Paul, guy he bought it from has pictures that say "May 1970" along the side, but the pots say "73". This LP has a retaining wire in the bridge assembly, a feature of LP's from about 61-71. That seems to prove that the "date" from the pots means little.

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:19 pm
by kjazz1958
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:33 pm
by rickcrazy
Hey, thanks, Kirk. Aluminum baseplate, large magnet, and "new-style", or "final version" high-gain pickup with drive screws for polepieces. Looks "1973" to me all right.
"... the pot date codes mean little." Indeed. Those on my two 1970 21 fretters read early 1967.

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:35 pm
by 316mark
Is that treble pickup mounting plate made out of aluminum?

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:48 pm
by leftybass
Hi Kirk, and welcome.

Your treble pickup is consistant with mid 1973 production; the high-gain treble pickups had slotted-screw pole pieces as late as October 1972 and probably a bit later before changing to the type you have in your bass. My own 1972 4001 LH has CTS pots of Mexican build as well, all original.

I'd say that with the exclusion of the finish(maybe), the jackplate and possibly the pickguard, your bass is a mid '73 4001. It has all the hallmarks, and is very cool BTW!

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:49 pm
by leftybass
Yes Mark, aluminum.

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:49 pm
by 316mark
"Hey, thanks, Kirk. Aluminum baseplate, large magnet,"

Haha, propagation delay Image

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:52 pm
by 316mark
What were the horsehoe plates made of?

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:10 pm
by rickcrazy
"Propagation delay"??Image

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:56 pm
by dale_fortune
Cobalt Steel that was chrome plated and magnetized

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:54 pm
by johnallg
""Propagation delay"??"

He asked his question before he saw your post from 2 minutes before he asked, but he evidently hadn't refreshed his browser before posting.

It's all in the timing. ;)