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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:08 pm
by rictified
I've had three fretlesses, I got my first in 1977, two Rics and one P bass, I agree with Jeff's method for fingering and also for setting them up. I have read that there are two methods for setting these up, slightly behind the where the fret would be and right on top, I like mine right on top, and I also don't like the fret lines, they might help a little in the beginning but will hold you back after a while because you will use your eyes instead of your ears to play. I actually liked the Pee bass method better until I got used to the Rics, it had dots only where the dots are on a regular bass, 3rd, 5th, etc except of course right on the note. When I got my first Ric fretless which had a dot for every fret I used whiteout on the "extra" dots until I got used to all those dots, I still would rather have no dots at all.
I got to the point where I used to sing lead with them (think it's hard to sing with a fretted bass?)I think the best method to learning and getting used to a fretless bass is to play, play, play, and play out with it also as much as you can.
Andy unless your 73 has had some type of epoxy or other new type of coating on the neck, I would be very careful using roundwounds on it, I used roundwounds for one night on my 81 4001FL and got buzzes all over the place.
Flatwounds sound great on fretless basses by the way, you might be surprised at the sound. They are much thinner sounding with round wounds.
You get the Ric growl with flats on a fretless more than with rounds.
And I would not recommend changing the finish on your neck like Jaco did, I did that to my 81 and ruined the sound, It sounded great with the roundwounds (for one night), it also sounded good with roto half rounds, but after putting two part epoxy on it, it sounded terrible (with the same strings (roto swing bass). I played another 4003FL with round wounds on it that had had a new neck finish done to it, and it too sounded terrible, whatever they put on the fretless necks sounds great just as it is, but it just ain't compatible with rounds.

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 12:15 pm
by rickcrazy
Fretless indeed, and rare. Made in 1973.
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:57 pm
by rickcrazy
Hey, wait a minute. Where are the fingerboard dot markers? I don't remember seeing a fretless 4001 without those before. Maybe that fingerboard is not original to the bass after all. Anyone?

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:08 pm
by jwilli
I might be wrong but that fretboard probably isnt "factory" original.

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:19 pm
by wints
Funny Sergio, I was just looking up this old thread in anticipation of getting back to the U.K. next month to see my 73 fretless for the first time, and then it was at the top of the thread line again!! An azureglo C/B bound fretless with toaster..way cool...That looks like an ebony board to me, so unlikely Ric IMO. That would be a shame for probably what is a one off bass...Where/who did you get the pic from Sergio??

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 3:10 pm
by rictified
Yeah that is not original, every one I've ever seen has dots. It's also got a non-Ric treble pickup.

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 4:05 pm
by wints
O.K...E bay...Unless that,s one of those early 70,s Ric ebony boards, and that,s unlikely, it,s been changed...Have the P/U selector switch and treble volume changed places too...

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 12:22 am
by rickcrazy
Yes, it's on Ebay. The treble p.u. is a Bartolini, according to the seller.

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:29 am
by rickenbrother
That fretless Blue '73 4001 Rick is actually at the Guitar Center on Sunset Blvd. in Hollywood CA. I saw it there yesterday so if anyone in the So. Cal region is in the area, they can check it out. The Bartolini that is installed looks like the one that actually replaces the mute assembly, not the one that is supposed to replace the actual treble p/u. The fingerboard must be the work of a private luthier. I didn't get to plug it in since the place was crazy with Xmas shoppers, but it did have a MI serial number. I would love a fretless Rick, but that price is a bit too high for me right now with Xmas, and a 4004Cii5 on the way.

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:10 am
by jps
I wouldn't let the 4004Cii5 stand in your way, it may be a long time before you see it! ;-)