Astral Traveller

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2112 wrote: What was Chris' response to his question? Or was there dead air followed by, "And now for the next caller..." :roll:
No, I got the impression from the way that Danny Baker was talking that Peter Banks was actually a regular caller to Danny Baker's show. Chris did go 'errrrr...' for a second or two, then said that he didn't know, it was all under discussion, even who might be available for it.

EDIT: I searched to see if this interview was on the web anyhere and found this:

http://www.bondegezou.demon.co.uk/wnyesm.htm

(see about 1/6 of the way down)

Which reminded me that Peter Banks also said that he was writing songs with Jon Anderson.


I really enjoy Steve's work with Yes, but it would certainly be fantastic to hear those early songs again with Peter. I just wonder whether enough early material would be performed to justify his inclusion on a 40th Anniversary tour. I think a members past & present tour would be really interesting (Patrick Moraz for 'Gates' anyone?), but probably a legal and logistical nightmare. Perhaps Bill might also be tempted - even on the basis that it could provide some funding for his jazz projects? I'd have no hesitation in going to see the most recent touring line up again, but perhaps the 40th Anniversary of this most creative band could be marked with a celebration of some of the great talent that has been a part of it over the years.
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(I'm saying this based on my eyes and ears only, of course I may be wrong)

Chris back then played a mapleglo with 21-frets. He could reach the very high E on some passages.
There is a version on "the word is live" compilation where it's audible that he has no 21st fret anymore and the high E is sort of "muted".
I did a bass cover for that song recently on YT and it happened the same, as I play a 20-fretter (4001CS) (http://www.youtube.com/miguelbass)

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Ei, Miguel, é um prazer ver-te aqui no fórum. Recebi as tuas duas mensagens e já fui ver o teu Astral Traveller no youtube. Bem esgalhado! Responderei em breve. Saúde! Sérgio.
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rickcrazy wrote:Ei, Miguel, é um prazer ver-te aqui no fórum. Recebi as tuas duas mensagens e já fui ver o teu Astral Traveller no youtube. Bem esgalhado! Responderei em breve. Saúde! Sérgio.
So, Sergio is responsible! LOL!

Jim & I had a phone conversation about my being STUCK in the CTTE, TFTO, RELAYER era and so on, I went out and bought some later Cd's.
I've been listening to TALK a lot, I have to go back and dig out the OLD Peter Banks era recordings as well...

That being said, GOD I LOVE THIS STUFF!
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ajish4 wrote:...I have to go back and dig out the OLD Peter Banks era recordings as well...

That being said, GOD I LOVE THIS STUFF!
Check out Two Sides Of Peter Banks.

http://www.amazon.com/Two-Sides-Peter-B ... 109&sr=1-1

I have an original LP. :D
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Great clip, Tony - I like that entire DVD!

Tony, I sent you a link to Miguel's mp3 page soon after I joined this forum and posted a link. I think he NAILS these parts as close as anyone I've ever heard!

Okay, Miguel, technical question: Does the following make sense...?

A7 - E9 - E10 - A8 - E9 - E10 - A10 - A8 - E10 - D7 - A8 - A10 - - A13 - A11 - A12 - D11 - A11 - A12 - D12 - A11 - A12 - D14 - A11 - A12: (repeat 8x) All straight time 1/16th notes at high speed!

Where E, A and D are the strings and numbers are the frets - Do you recognize this and is it Close To The correct riff? (Big hint in there!) I use this as a warmup, a good friend of mine showed me a simpler way to play this and when he does it, it sounds great. But when I see Chris play this riff, I see no sign of open strings, "pull-offs" or any other "tricks", just a straight riff that took me months to learn to play correctly. Can you shed any light on this subject? :?

I'm very interested in Miguel's opinion, but all others free to sound off as well!
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Hello Jim!

I got the hint :) It's the intro to CttE!

To be honest, it's been some time since i tried to take those notes one by one. I remember I was too a bit puzzled with what is visible from Chris' fingerings at Yessongs video. Since I started doing the first mp3 files (almost "ten true summers long"!) I found out many details that needed to be corrected on those files, and that I later improved (hopefully) on later versions (the second Tempus Fugit, In The Presence Of and Heart of the Sunrise mp3s and the Parallels clip).

I will work my ears again on that particular riff and post here my "version" in the same format you wrote. And same to eyes - I will analise the clips that I have available (now we have the Symphonic DVD as well, maybe there are a few good shots there!).

It's detective work almost! To detect some notes that Chris played... because of the mix/production... and because of the style and timbre of the bass sound. The notes are very rich in harmonics and the transient (picking attack) is very strong... well that's what you'd expect from a Chris & Rickenbacker combination, right? :) I mean, just imagine if it was Patitucci or Myung popping the same notes like they do...

Then the fingerings are another quest... As we don't have videos for some of the songs, the fingerings have to be extrapolated somehow... "what is more logical?" , "does this timbre sounds like the G or the D string"... "did he change string or slided up the neck?"... "which option would suit better for the next passage?"... then sometimes I recall other fingering choices that Chris makes on other basslines, and try to "think like he would" and chose that pattern and see how it sounds... of course none of this is an exact science and in many cases I am wandering far away from the truth, but that's how I try my best shots!

Ok, I speak too much :) I promise you (and All Good People here) to post here what I can get from those CttE fingerings.

Time to sleep now here!

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Hi Miguel, your a very talented player. What amplification do you use?
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"Then the fingerings are another quest... As we don't have videos for some of the songs, the fingerings have to be extrapolated somehow... "what is more logical?" , "does this timbre sounds like the G or the D string"..."

Amen to that!
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Miguel, what a great post! You're going to be quite welcome here, I assure you of that! It is nice to know that someone of your talent and abilities is still having some of the same issues as me.

One of the confounding things about Yes music, for me, with Chris and especially Steve Howe's parts, is one, how they seem to shift somehow, in that, I listen, then work out the part, then when I go back and compare, I don't hear it the same way and my version doesn't always fit. Two, they intentionally seem to play it differently live a lot of the time, especially Steve, not to be clever, but just to keep it interesting. It is a testament to their excellent composing, arranging and recording techniques.

Now, to CTTE. Of course that is what I was tabbing out, the section on the CD from 1:22 to 2:00. I got that riff by taking Steve's riff from 2:01 - 2:08 (between the first and second "ahs")and applying it to the bass, as it sounds to my ear like that is the riff that Chris plays. But, my friend (Pete Greenwood of SEYES, who is probably reading this and laughing) plays it very differently and when he does it, whether his version is right or wrong, it sure seems to work. I even have video of Pete playing that riff on his CS (#1) but at full speed, even that does not help. When I showed Pete how I play that part, he said "What the heck is that?". :lol: So Pete, it's only 24 notes, how about a quick tab for comparison?

If you slow the part down to half speed and don't correct the pitch, you may be amazed to hear that Rick Wakeman is also playing this same riff with one hand at double speed. It's part of what comprises the "musical white noise" in that section of the arrangement.

Yes were simply on fire at this part of their career and the opening of CTTE is their anthem. I was twelve when it came out and it completely blew me away, I wore the grooves off of my first copy. That riff in CTTE and the opening riff of SK (guitar) is what made me start playing. Still gets me, and it doesn't seem to get any easier, although now I can push through a lot of these parts on a good day. Still, I'm 48, these guys were like 22 when they were blazing this stuff out. As Bruford once stated "We were all nineteen and drinking a lot of coffee". What a great time it was to be involved in music.

The "Symphonic" DVD does have a good shot of Chris playing this riff, even longer than the quick shot in Yessongs. I can now play it my way using pick or fingers at album speed and it will work, but Pete's version makes more sense. So, Pete, using the simplified tab style that I used above, what is your take? Anyone else?

Also, from 2:21 - 2:30, Steve slides a basic chord formation up and down the neck of that ES-345, that's another one of those "close but no cigar" parts for me. I use the chord form A13 D12 G12 B13 (that is a chord, not a riff, in different positions, of course) but Steve uses a slightly different voicing to give it that "growl". I'd like to be able to nail this opening sequence on both guitar and bass, at least good enough to my own standards. I guess I'm saying "Help!" :lol:

Also, Miguel, I have both copies of your mp3 for Tempus Fugit and the timing is better on version two for the verse parts. You sure did nail that one! I'd love to hear Yes do it live, Chris could sing the lead part and it would work perfectly!

Keep the posts coming...
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Hi Jim,
I have a gig in Wolverhampton tomorrow night and I will try and get my daughter to video CTTE.
The bit you mentioned is (if I have the right part) more straightforward than you would think.
I might have played it a bit raggedly at my place last year so I will try and get a soundcheck run through for you.
Ellie can stand in front of me to film it.
With Yes its ALWAYS the live versions that are "the Bible" musically.
The album is stuck together rather like a prototype plane that looks right but the "production model" is the stage version.
Very similar but different enough to make the studio recording almost a template for the later tour sound.
Theres nothing wrong with the album but sometimes theres so much going on that when you take away the layered tracks as in a live show you get to the real meat and veg of the music.
The key change at the end is a prime example.
Some people cant stand it but we love it because it makes sense musically and it stays in a range thats practical for the vocals.
And you have to alter the pitch of the fade out tape dont forget!
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Man,

I LOVE THIS THREAD!

Keep it commin' guys!

I'm all EYES.... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Kind of like Christmas in June!

Speaking of Christmas, #1 on my list is a Chris Squire BOOK & DVD of all transcribed works.
I'd pay a H U G E price to have that under the Christmas tree! :wink:

Scotty had mentioned at one time, that on the next tour, they were going to hire a camera man to JUST FOCUS on CHRIS, so we could learn his parts that way. I guess that is on the back burner for now, but could you imagine the demand for a work either in BOOK or DVD form from the man himself! :!: :!: :!: :!:
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That would be #1 on my list too, Tony. Chris or Scotty, are you reading this?!?!?! :)

Jim, I went home last night with your sequence printed out and tried to get it down enough at least to judge if it was right. Close but not right. I await Pete's video and hopefully tab of this part.
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Thanks, John. I just sent Pete an email and asked for a tab, as video, although cool, still can be hard to decipher.

Okay, check this attachment. I don't think it's exact, either, but post your opinions!
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I have always thought of it being a series of triplets, perhaps that will make it sound more accurate.
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