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paologregorio wrote:How much is it usually? I bought a bottle, along with some Scratch X at Target awhile back, but I don't recall the prices.

I think I paid at least $12 plus tax at Target.

I think my bottle cost JD 16 bucks!

The Zymol cleaner/wax costs around AUD$50 here.... if you can find it!!

Free Lifetime Refill Policy by the factory!

But what if the factory closes down? Nowadays...

Has anyone tried using any of Zymol's range of waxes / glazes on their guitar apart from the cleaner-wax? I use it on my car so I thought I'd give it a go. Not having a Ric yet I used the HD-Cleanse and then Zymol detail wax on a sunburst Strat and it's certainly come up very nicely with a lovely shine and it feels very smooth. It also smells of chocolate and bananas rather than bubblegum Has anyone tried this on a Ric? I have a JG 360 on the way so may try it when it arrives.

I also have a Fender guitar care kit, apparently developed by Meguiars, which includes a swirl and haze remover. Has anyone had any experience with this? Just wondering if its much different to the Scratch-X / Swirl-X.

Ross, the Fender kit is merely a marketing "partnership" between two of SoCal's most sales-aggressive organizations...the swirl remover is Meguiar's, repackaged; nothing special in terms of formulation.

I might add here that anyone trying to restore gloss to a polyester-finished Fender guitar is in for a very long haul--these finishes are hard as stone, and no commercial liquid or paste compounds are effective in the least. You need a pedestal buffer and several grades of Menzerna or equivalent.

As far as Zymol's product range, as long as there's no petroleum distillate indicated on the label, I'd say, "have at it," and report back to us. I do like their products.

OK, I finally have a 360 so I had a go giving it a clean and a wax. I used the Fender/Meguiars spray cleaner than Zymol HD Cleanse and detail wax (38 percent Brazillian No.1 yellow carnauba wax). I think its come up very well, lovely and shiny and really smooth feeling, but I don't have much to compare with not having any of the cleaner-wax. I don't know that it would make much difference for a guitar as I think the main benefit of the pure waxes and glazes is environmental protection i.e. rain, road grime etc. Anyway, a couple of close-ups attached if anyones interested.

Nice. The whole discussion comes down to, "how shiny do you want?", or perhaps, "how shiny must it be to satisfy you?".

The combination of Zymol products you've chosen is one of only two that will give you a killer shine. The Detail wax (for which they do not publish a MSDS sheet, oddly) is one of only two products they manufacture (the other being the blue Cleaner-Wax that I recommend) that has water as its solvent. All the rest of theZymol products (including their $500 waxes) have some sort of stripping solvent, either petroleum or citrus-derived.

Here's the MSDS for the Cleaner-Wax I recommend. Note that it shows no solvent, a freezing point of 32°F, and a boiling point of 212°F. That says, "water" to me...

http://www.zymol.com/msds/Cleaner%20Wax.pdf

Here's one of their line of specialty paste waxes. Note the presence of "terpene", a generic class of plant resins which can derive from citrus or conifers. Terpene is a stripping solvent which removes the previous layers of wax buildup, preventing you from building more than one coat. In my experience, the capability to "build" coat of quality wax, one upon another,is key to a perfect gloss. Very few waxes allow this, as very few have a water base.

http://www.zymol.com/msds/rouge%20wax.pdf

Below is one to avoid. I generally don't recommend these detail sprays for high-dollar finishes, as most are an emulsion of silicone and water with other components. This one, however, has a petroleum distillate solvent base, so it will strip, too:

http://www.zymol.com/msds/Detail%20Spray.pdf

The only reason I don't recommend the Zymol Detail wax that you've used, is the very small quantity you get for your $20.00--2 ounces. But it's pure and very good for Rick paint. The Cleaner Wax has the same stuff, along with a very fine abrasive and filler which do a nice job of giving a perfect gloss.

For an ultimate gloss, you could try Pinnacle Souverain Paste Wax. It costs more per ounce (about 20%) than the Zymol Detail Wax (coming in at $95.00 for 8 ounces), but if you've got a large collection of guitars or exotic cars to keep gorgeous, it's the nutz. I've never recommended it because of price, but I've used it on show cars and it gives the blackest black I've ever seen. I think it's time I popped for a can for my own instruments and restorations, though...

http://www.autogeek.net/pinsouvwax.html

I should point out that most pro detailers use locally-available generic brands with similar content but no " brand mystique" with its concurrently premium price tag, and they get amazing results, too. Premium products like Zymol and Souverain are geared toward a hobbyist with generous disposable income, not the guy who must make a living, and for whom the cost of materials comes out of his bottom line...

Damn !

I just sold my Bugatti.

Was it a bit waterlogged???

http://rickresource.com/forum/viewtopic ... ti#p587312

Did it have a $600.00 jar of wax in the glove box?