RIP Oasis

[Ric-O-Buc]

The most over rated band from the UK in the last 25 years. When you realize how far the bar has been lowered since the 70's, and early 80's, you get a better focus of what these plagiarists were. Never made a dent in the States, making the critics here far more astute than anything back in Europe.

Please, please, don't come back.

I couldn't have said it better. Thanks.

Is it really that hard not to be a self indulgent twit?

[godber]

I understand that some people don't get them, but why such an angry mob? And since when has being a massive commercial success in the states (or anywhere else) ever been an indicator of good music or critical value??? What a strange divisive reaction.

If you see where they came from you can maybe appreciate their effort and their achievement. Some may think they mugged "the people" when the playing wasn't shreddingly fantastic and the writing wasn't overly innovative, but they were born out of negative times and yet spoke positively to kids with music based on the rich history that the Beatles, the Kinks, the Jam, the Smiths and the Stone Roses left us to pick up. I'd rather take that than any self-harming shoe-gazing c**k-rock alternatives (not meaning Celine Dion )

I liked them, mainly because when they arrived I was too old to love them (I loved the Jam - right age). Noel's wit and repartee is superb and I'm really looking forward to his solo work and collaborations. Liam has a great voice, but it has become one dimensional; the split could do him good.

I probably don't play the albums that much these days, but the odd song still inspires there are some great sounds there. I'll miss them.


P.S who can even remember the fights that Ray and Dave Davies got into now? The media hype is just not important.
P.P.S another RIP thread goes for a Jackson.

[BCGUY]

I understand that some people don't get them, but why such an angry mob? And since when has being a massive commercial success in the states (or anywhere else) ever been an indicator of good music or critical value??? What a strange divisive reaction.

If you see where they came from you can maybe appreciate their effort and their achievement. Some may think they mugged "the people" when the playing wasn't shreddingly fantastic and the writing wasn't overly innovative, but they were born out of negative times and yet spoke positively to kids with music based on the rich history that the Beatles, the Kinks, the Jam, the Smiths and the Stone Roses left us to pick up. I'd rather take that than any self-harming shoe-gazing c**k-rock alternatives (not meaning Celine Dion )

I liked them, mainly because when they arrived I was too old to love them (I loved the Jam - right age). Noel's wit and repartee is superb and I'm really looking forward to his solo work and collaborations. Liam has a great voice, but it has become one dimensional; the split could do him good.

I probably don't play the albums that much these days, but the odd song still inspires there are some great sounds there. I'll miss them.


P.S who can even remember the fights that Ray and Dave Davies got into now? The media hype is just not important.
P.P.S another RIP thread goes for a Jackson.

+1

[kiramdear]

I, too, am not lining up to throw dirt on their grave. Not a huge fan, either, but I found much of their work very fresh and creative and I'm a bit disappointed that they have fallen awry of a promising future. Still, who knows, blood is thicker than water and there may be a reconciliation or reunion after a much needed break and diversion into solo projects. It wouldn't be the first time. And if not, they're all still very talented and I bet we'll be hearing from them in one form or another. It's a crazy business but as long as everybody stays healthy it's all good.

[longhouse]

They had a clutch of good songs, especially on the first few records. The hype almost overshadowed them from the start. Noel's boasting that it was their turn to be the guiding force in British music soured my opinion. 'The Clash did their part, Weller did his part, Johnny Marr... now it's our turn' - something of the sort. Well, I can name LOTS of distinctive guitar passages/songs/lyrical phrases from the other three. The Oasis canon is not quite as rich -though it had potential to be.

And they took the Beatles allusions to grotesque levels in certain videos and lyrics. Meanwhile groups like Trashcan Sinatras and Supergrass were forging new sounds. Scottish and British guitar music was thriving -albeit way under the radar, 'least as seen from my stateside listening post.

Oasis squandered their chance. Hopefully the hype will be buried with them.

To answer your question Brian, why do certain acts sell millions in spite of themselves? Hype. Media push. Lowest common denominator. An audience which believes what it's told: 'these guys are the next big thing' 'the next Beatles'

Nashville has it worked into a science. The Rock world is a bit different in that rogue talent CAN slip through the corporate machine and become successful (sadly rare). We'll not delve into the pop/dance/diva/balladeer world in this conversation.

[winston]

Thanks Noel,

I belelieve you hypothesis about hype etc only works for certain manufactured or industry backed artists, but then there are those that defy explanation. Not withstanding the Tiny Tim's of the world, I am sure we can all point to a few artists without taxing the brain too much and wonder why people buy their records, because from a musicians perspective these people are awful and have little talent. I agree let's not get into the pop diva realm. That would be exhausting............

[collin]

I understand that some people don't get them, but why such an angry mob? And since when has being a massive commercial success in the states (or anywhere else) ever been an indicator of good music or critical value??? What a strange divisive reaction.

If you see where they came from you can maybe appreciate their effort and their achievement. Some may think they mugged "the people" when the playing wasn't shreddingly fantastic and the writing wasn't overly innovative, but they were born out of negative times and yet spoke positively to kids with music based on the rich history that the Beatles, the Kinks, the Jam, the Smiths and the Stone Roses left us to pick up. I'd rather take that than any self-harming shoe-gazing c**k-rock alternatives (not meaning Celine Dion )

I liked them, mainly because when they arrived I was too old to love them (I loved the Jam - right age). Noel's wit and repartee is superb and I'm really looking forward to his solo work and collaborations. Liam has a great voice, but it has become one dimensional; the split could do him good.

I probably don't play the albums that much these days, but the odd song still inspires there are some great sounds there. I'll miss them.


P.S who can even remember the fights that Ray and Dave Davies got into now? The media hype is just not important.
P.P.S another RIP thread goes for a Jackson.

+2

WELL put.


When I posted this thread, I fully knew there would be half a crowd waiting to throw stones, but it's always puzzled me why this band in particular brings out the worst in people-----it's the band people LOVE to hate, which is hilarious and peculiar to me.

I mean....Britney Spears.....? Really? You guys are REALLY going to compare a band that plays instruments, writes memorable rock songs, and tours the world for a decade and a half with a pre-fab pop star designed to sell sex (and other people's music), simply because I stated that they both sold records?

Incredible how short sighted people get....... Heck, the Beatles and Michael Jackson also sold tons of records too, so maybe they're the same as Ms. Spears too, huh? People must be really dumb for listening to the Beatles----masses of people must not know anything!!

The funniest part to me is how many fans of older music tear apart Oasis. The big comparison is always the Beatles, but I can't tell ya how many guys I've met in Beatle tribute bands etc that lambast Oasis for "ripping off the Beatles" and not being "original ! What a joke, eh? Besides, other than a shaggy haircut, I've yet to find a single concrete "Beatle" ripoff moment in the entire Oasis catalog.....

In any case, the influences that Oasis proudly wears on their shoulder (Beatles, Kinks, Who, Jam, Marr etc..) are fully credited in interviews etc. In my humble opinion, they filled some gaps in the mainstream 90s rock scene and opened plenty of people to a long-underground "Britpop" scene in the wake of 90's grunge, hair metal, and alternative rock, where more "progressive" Britpop acts like Supergrass, Pulp, Suede and others could gather a larger following outside of the UK.

I know they're not esteemed and revered like so many classic British acts (yet!) but to younger generations such as myself, Oasis have been a massive influence, and will be sorely missed if it is indeed the end.

[electrofaro]

I liked them, loved their version of I Am The Walrus.

Imo the worst they ever did was butchering that Beatle song - I won't be remembering them for that, only for their first three albums.

[whojamfan]

I would and should have an opinion on this, but I don't-who knew?
I'll give it a shot anyways, I had such a good time with Nickelback last year, I should give these guys the same courtesy.

It ain't over, no matter how many irreplaceable members quit or die, untill it's over. As far as being a band goes, there were a lot of bands in the 90s couldn't come close to what they were doing, or boast of their accomplishments. They opened the doors for a scene that had no other way to break through in to the mainstream, and managed to provide an alternative to "alternative".They almost achieved the success the Jam would have if Paul Weller hadn't broke up the band and done the roadwork they needed to do. Still, they didn't do too bad for themselves I'd say.

It seems to me every UK Brit/Mod/Pop/whatever band that has harmonised vocals are immediately compared to the Beatles, and how they are "ripping them off". This band is largely, if not entirely, made of 60s British pop influence, so why does it surprise anybody that they sound like them? From what I've heard of them, I wouldn't disagree that they sound a lot like their influences, big deal, who doesn't?

The whole sibling rivalry thing is a bore, and just makes them look like chumps. I did a gig where the opener had 2 brothers that broke out in to a fistfight on stage and busted up some gear in the process. Gig over-really lame.

The singer is a drunk? What a shock So which drunk singers are ok then?

I read some article recently in a guitar magazine where Noel goes on "F" this and "F" that all full of contempt and arrogance. Tons of dough-no day job-beautifull house and family, and this guy is fronting like he's all hard and heavy. Boring.

I don't see that it is all that hard to either love or hate this band if you take in the whole picture, but why should I feel obligated to? It's all about the music, and if that can't hold your interest alone, everything else really doesn't matter.

[whojamfan]

And on that note, I'd like to give them a proper listen, because I know the stuff they play on the radio often isn't really a bands best work, just it's most commercially viable. Oasis fans, gimme the best record to get and I'll give it a go

[wints]

I'm many things, but never angry...

My better comment was moderated out, unfortunately, as it perfectly summed up the Bros G for what they were, are and probably will always be. Nothing to do with their music either. Just a subjective observation that many seem to share...

Musically, they are a product of the UK in the 90's. What exactly is that? Subject as ever, and looking at it from the mid 60's on, it's the continual decline of British music, especially when compared to the previous decades.
Well, actually...there simply is no comparison.

We could forward to today, and it's even worse. When you look at it, again, subjectively, it's been extremely poor in terms of pure craft since the early to mid 80's, and apart from the odd bright light, it's still very much heading into the dark. Never has musical mediocrity been more greatly revered than in the last 15 years or so, and the BG's encapsulate this better than anyone from this period.

The defining bands from 40+ years ago, that started a musical revolution, will still be held in high musical grace 40 years from now.

Oasis? Your 'aving a giraffe mate...

[collin]

Oasis fans, gimme the best record to get and I'll give it a go

Most fans agree the first two albums are the best, by far.

I'm partial to their 2nd- What's the Story, Morning Glory?. Though, the first (Definitely, Maybe is a fine album as well.


I'm sure this whole thread won't do much to "convert" anybody's opinion on the band---there will be fans and critics of pretty much everything out there. For instance, I cannot (and will not) be convinced that Rush, for instance, is a cool or decent band, but I probably won't stomp on their grave after they break up one day.

[godber]

Most fans agree the first two albums are the best, by far.

I'm partial to their 2nd- What's the Story, Morning Glory?. Though, the first (Definitely, Maybe is a fine album as well.


I'm sure this whole thread won't do much to "convert" anybody's opinion on the band---there will be fans and critics of pretty much everything out there. For instance, I cannot (and will not) be convinced that Rush, for instance, is a cool or decent band, but I probably won't stomp on their grave after they break up one day.

+1

I would also add Don't Believe The Truth. There are great sounds on there.

[gellkeller]

Musically, they are a product of the UK in the 90's. What exactly is that? Subject as ever, and looking at it from the mid 60's on, it's the continual decline of British music, especially when compared to the previous decades.
Well, actually...there simply is no comparison.

I am a MASSIVE fan of late 80's and 90's British music. Defintiely a golden age in music for my taste.

Each to there own I guess. It's makes things more intersting anyway.

[godber]

I'm many things, but never angry...

My better comment was moderated out, unfortunately, as it perfectly summed up the Bros G for what they were, are and probably will always be. Nothing to do with their music either. Just a subjective observation that many seem to share...

Musically, they are a product of the UK in the 90's. What exactly is that? Subject as ever, and looking at it from the mid 60's on, it's the continual decline of British music, especially when compared to the previous decades.
Well, actually...there simply is no comparison.

We could forward to today, and it's even worse. When you look at it, again, subjectively, it's been extremely poor in terms of pure craft since the early to mid 80's, and apart from the odd bright light, it's still very much heading into the dark. Never has musical mediocrity been more greatly revered than in the last 15 years or so, and the BG's encapsulate this better than anyone from this period.

The defining bands from 40+ years ago, that started a musical revolution, will still be held in high musical grace 40 years from now.

Oasis? Your 'aving a giraffe mate...

Ha! Is this the right room for an argument? You've condemned a whole nation (hey why stop at only one?) and every musical genre it has produced from the mid-sixties onwards. Nice trolling . Buy yourself a time-machine, I hope that you like Frank Ifield.