Rickresource Rickenbacker Forum

stsang wrote:I love this thread as I'm a huge Johnny Marr fan. Marr has mentioned in several places that he played a Rick 12-string extensively on the song Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before from the Strangeways Here We Come album. Does anyone know if the Rick on this song is the same one discussed in this thread? Thanks!

The 12 string on Stop Me was his sunburst Gibson 335/12.

Details here(scroll down): http://www.smithsonguitar.com/2008/12/j ... -gear.html

egosheep wrote:
The 12 string on Stop Me was his sunburst Gibson 335/12. Details here(scroll down): http://www.smithsonguitar.com/2008/12/j ... -gear.html

Thanks for the link to that page. Lots of great info there. Is it possible that Marr used both the Gibson and the Rickenbacker on Stop Me? In the Tony Bacon book (on page 120 ) it says:

Marr also mentions "Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before" as another peak of jangle. "You hear my Rickenbacker 12 most clearly on the intro, but the song was built on electric 12-string - I wrote it on that guitar. On the instrumental B-side 'The Draize Train', again you hear a Rick 12 very clearly on the intro."

Then again in this interview http://foreverill.com/interviews/post87/antihero.htm Marr seems to contradict what's in the Tony Bacon book.

What is it with these eighties janglers having a bad memory?

stsang wrote:Then again in this interview http://foreverill.com/interviews/post87/antihero.htm Marr seems to contradict what's in the Tony Bacon book.

You can listen to some of the multi-tracks from Stop Me here. You can hear the "gong" at the start, which is the telecaster with a knife dropped on it.

The fact is, Johnny used about a dozen or more guitar tracks as early as the first record, so by Strangeways he had access to even more. It's very possible that two conflicting stories could both be true, and that he used both the Gibson 12 string and the Ric 12... which Ric 12? Well that's another question...

egosheep wrote:

stsang wrote:Then again in this interview http://foreverill.com/interviews/post87/antihero.htm Marr seems to contradict what's in the Tony Bacon book.

You can listen to some of the multi-tracks from Stop Me here. You can hear the "gong" at the start, which is the telecaster with a knife dropped on it.

The fact is, Johnny used about a dozen or more guitar tracks as early as the first record, so by Strangeways he had access to even more. It's very possible that two conflicting stories could both be true, and that he used both the Gibson 12 string and the Ric 12... which Ric 12? Well that's another question...

He used a knife on a Telecaster for This Charming Man...

egosheep wrote: You can listen to some of the multi-tracks from Stop Me here.

Wow!! These multi-tracks are amazing. Are there any more? Thanks so much for posting this.

stsang wrote:

egosheep wrote: You can listen to some of the multi-tracks from Stop Me here.

Wow!! These multi-tracks are amazing. Are there any more? Thanks so much for posting this.

That is the only one out there. It's ripped from Rock Band 3. This Charming Man was in the game as well but it's not been cracked/released to date.

Ain'tGotNoPokemon wrote:What is it with these eighties janglers having a bad memory?

Haha. I like to layer a lot of different guitar tracks on my group's recordings as well, and would be hard pressed to remember every guitar I've used on every track. . . since officially joining the band and assuming bass duties, our recording engineer, has forced me to cut back on the layering. . . .

egosheep wrote:

stsang wrote:

egosheep wrote: You can listen to some of the multi-tracks from Stop Me here.

Wow!! These multi-tracks are amazing. Are there any more? Thanks so much for posting this.

That is the only one out there. It's ripped from Rock Band 3. This Charming Man was in the game as well but it's not been cracked/released to date.

I don't have Rock Band 3 (but maybe I need to get it now )... but in the game, is the guitarist playing a Rickenbacker or a Gibson?

paologregorio wrote: Haha. I like to layer a lot of different guitar tracks on my group's recordings as well, and would be hard pressed to remember every guitar I've used on every track. . . since officially joining the band and assuming bass duties, our recording engineer, has forced me to cut back on the layering. . . .

Well, I guess less is more (to some people) though I personally think you can never have too many Rickenbackers on a recording.

stsang wrote:

paologregorio wrote: Haha. I like to layer a lot of different guitar tracks on my group's recordings as well, and would be hard pressed to remember every guitar I've used on every track. . . since officially joining the band and assuming bass duties, our recording engineer, has forced me to cut back on the layering. . . .

Well, I guess less is more (to some people) though I personally think you can never have too many Rickenbackers on a recording.

These days I always use at least one Rick, but I'll throw one of My Gretsches, a Strat or Tele, and then maybe a 12 string track as well, where called for. WE like to lay down a number of different parts, then pull them in and out of the mix, in addition to duplicating the main riff with different guitars. On a couple of songs I recently did, I borrowed the our bassist's 335 Epi for some overdriven HB tones-a first for me-using Gibson HB tones.

egosheep wrote:You can listen to some of the multi-tracks from Stop Me here.

Wow. Thank you so much for posting this. Fascinating to listen to and this will be really helpful to learn the song from (which I now intend to do, ha). I'd be really interested to hear the ones for This Charming Man if they ever pop up. I could really use these for lots of songs actually

Thanks again for uploading these.

I can really respect those who replicate full tracks of Smiths songs on Youtube; they have to learn all the parts, use similar gear, etc. However, I am not too interested in replicating every note of an artist's music - I either put my own spin on it, only partially learn it for my own benefit, or don't bother. I probably know one Smiths song (This Charming Man), and I find Johnny has a style so unique that even he has trouble playing some of his own material.

That being said, I look forward to his signature Fender coming soon.

Ain'tGotNoPokemon wrote:I can really respect those who replicate full tracks of Smiths songs on Youtube; they have to learn all the parts, use similar gear, etc. However, I am not too interested in replicating every note of an artist's music - I either put my own spin on it, only partially learn it for my own benefit, or don't bother. I probably know one Smiths song (This Charming Man), and I find Johnny has a style so unique that even he has trouble playing some of his own material.

That being said, I look forward to his signature Fender coming soon.

Amen! Those You tube videos really come in handy for learning Smiths numbers! Learning "Headmaster Ritual," "This Charming Man," and the proper way to play "Bigmouth Strikes Again" would have been quite difficult without them! Learning "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now" was also a bit easier with them!

No kidding about Marr's playing; watch a recent video and an 80s video and his playing isn't quite the same, but then he could be playing one of the variations he recorded, or mixing it up-playing bits from one track and bits from another, rather than replicating just one.