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Wildberry wrote:

doctorwho wrote:It's the never-ending Euro-colonial belief that there will always be another uncut virgin forest across the next horizon ...

Pardon me? Do you need to offend Europeans like me in such a way? I don't agree just Europe's the source of the problem!

I rather like the new wood in the video - my 360 has a very dark rosewood on it, btw.

I think that "Euro-colonial" captures everyone Werner

godber wrote:

Wildberry wrote:

doctorwho wrote:It's the never-ending Euro-colonial belief that there will always be another uncut virgin forest across the next horizon ...

Pardon me? Do you need to offend Europeans like me in such a way? I don't agree just Europe's the source of the problem!

I rather like the new wood in the video - my 360 has a very dark rosewood on it, btw.

I think that "Euro-colonial" captures everyone Werner

In fact, probably everywhere except Asia .

godber wrote:I think that "Euro-colonial" captures everyone Werner

Oh, okay - sorry if I misunderstood!

Grey wrote:You could always switch to Gibson with their new fingerboards made from plastic and recycled paper.

You're just jealous your 480 doesn't have recycled toilet paper as fingerboard

Wildberry wrote:

doctorwho wrote:It's the never-ending Euro-colonial belief that there will always be another uncut virgin forest across the next horizon ...

Pardon me? Do you need to offend Europeans like me in such a way? I don't agree just Europe's the source of the problem!

I rather like the new wood in the video - my 360 has a very dark rosewood on it, btw.

I apologize, Werner - this was intended as an observation on the attitude of the European 'explorers' of the 15th Century only, and not applicable to current Europeans (who I think have a very good sense of ecological issues).

The early Polynesians who colonized the Pacific islands shared a lack of "eco sense" when it came to using trees as a resource - Easter Island is a prime example of the "use it up without thinking of the consequences" principle; in that case, once all of the trees on the island were used up, there was no other place to go to get more.

doctorwho wrote:I apologize, Werner - this was intended as an observation on the attitude of the European 'explorers' of the 15th Century only, and not applicable to current Europeans (who I think have a very good sense of ecological issues).

The early Polynesians who colonized the Pacific islands shared a lack of "eco sense" when it came to using trees as a resource - Easter Island is a prime example of the "use it up without thinking of the consequences" principle; in that case, once all of the trees on the island were used up, there was no other place to go to get more.

Thanks for clarifying Gary - it's all clear now, no offense taken

The Easter Island example shows what overcrowding limit space with exhaustive use of natural resources does to a place - it's weird I never actually seen it used as example, when it;s perfect to show what it will end in!

Yep; just as if the world population gets down to about 56 bison(no longer the case by a long shot, thanks to a similar realization and preservationist mindset), it's a bad idea to to indulge one's penchant for bison burgers at the moment, just because they taste good. . . .

Wildberry wrote:Thanks for clarifying Gary - it's all clear now, no offense taken

I'm glad you guys got that amicably worked out. I know my friend Gary well enough know his intentions here would never be to hurt the feelings of anyone.

iiipopes wrote:..I think those colors, along with BurG & the 4004 models, will look better with the chechen...

I wonder if the 4004Cii fingerboard will switch from unfinished to finished. I always thought finished would look better.

I wonder how the Caribbean Rosewood works on the tools. I've found that in boatbuilding some of the secondary hardwoods are a bit brutal on edges Yellowheart, Angelique, Wanna. When using machines the silicates in the wood dulled bits quickly but hand tools weren't as badly affected. Just curious.

T.A.R. wrote:I wonder how the Caribbean Rosewood works on the tools. I've found that in boatbuilding some of the secondary hardwoods are a bit brutal on edges Yellowheart, Angelique, Wanna. When using machines the silicates in the wood dulled bits quickly but hand tools weren't as badly affected. Just curious.

The Retified maple that RIC used for a while did a number on the tools, thats why they switched back to walnut.

T.A.R. wrote:I wonder how the Caribbean Rosewood works on the tools. I've found that in boatbuilding some of the secondary hardwoods are a bit brutal on edges Yellowheart, Angelique, Wanna. When using machines the silicates in the wood dulled bits quickly but hand tools weren't as badly affected. Just curious.

From http://www.wood-database.com/lumber-ide ... s/chechen/: "Workability: The wood is overall fairly easy to work, with the exception of planing/surfacing, which can present some problems if the grain is interlocked. Glues and finishes well, though because of its density and tendency to split, nails and screws should have holes pre-bored."

Thanks Scott!

johnhall wrote:

Matt Clark wrote:If it's changing, why not offer an ebony fretboard too?

Sorry, but some folks just don't get it! No wonder this planet is in trouble.

So, folk's like me are apparently irresponsible? Folks like me are the problem with the planet!!???

I think if I made this kind of person attack statement about you, or anyone else, they would remove my post and warn me I wasn't playing nice on the forum--because they have! Where's the moderator?!?!

So what you are telling us is, doing our part for the environments and saving the planet is not using ebony or bubinga fret boards? By what percentage did the cost of bubinga go up by this year John? Be honest!

I've got a lot more to add about hypocritical "environmentalist," but I'll bite my lip and let it go.

Yeah, I get it.

I like the new wood selections. Quite a bit. I have nothing of value to add beyond that.

Matt Clark wrote:So what you are telling us is, doing our part for the environments and saving the planet is not using ebony or bubinga fret boards? By what percentage did the cost of bubinga go up by this year John? Be honest!

Okay, Bubinga and Caribbean Rosewood are within 5% of the same cost but the actual yield of Bubinga is better due to less end splits, so it's actually more cost effective.

But another factor in our decision: the Lacey Act. While neither is particularly endangered, the documentation coming out of the African nations is much more suspect, whereas the Caribbean sources tend to be owned or managed by American firms who have a direct stake in abiding by the law.

As I've said before, Ebony should have been banned in trade a long time ago, except that certain cultures have needed time to retrain in order to be able to earn a livelihood.

Consumers drive the demand for endangered products; if no one wanted them . . . and acted responsibly in their purchases . . . they would not be offered for sale.

That being said, I do like the Ebony on the fingerboard of my favorite bass but it's over 50 years old and I can't bring it back to life. Eventually it will be very difficult if I want to take the instrument out of the country, which is to say that my next instrument will have Caribbean Rosewood on the fingerboard.

Cynicism has it's place but this isn't one of those issues.