Re: 330/12 Rubys
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:55 pm
Who is Hans?!
http://www.thomann.de/de/compinfo.htmlHotzenplotz wrote:Who is Hans?!
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Re: 330/12 Rubys
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:24 pm
Re: 330/12 Rubys
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:14 pm
Ah, ok!
Re: 330/12 Rubys
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:20 pm
I'm sorry but you're wrong.Hotzenplotz wrote:I disagree for several reasons:
1. All other standard colours are on the market since years, new and used. That is creating the prices, too. New products, even the standard ones, cost always more when they are brand-new. E.g. go into the market for an new iPhone, a new VOX amp or whatever and compare the prices during some months. Then You know what I mean.
2. Soundaffects has very low prices compared to other dealers. If someone does not want to spend 100£ more, buy in Germany from Thomann. Then You pay 300£ more - (based on the 330/6). And be happy: all 330/6 cost the same 300£ more here, compared to the Soundaffects "old standard colour" prices. Unfortunately there is no 330/12 ruby at Thomann at all...
But Thomann has different prices for different colours, too. Watch the 360 series.
3. I bet if the introduction price is equal to the others someone will do the same what happened to the pearl white LEs: The market is empty the moment they appear - and after a few days You can buy them via the bay or elsewhere - without warranty then but up to 200£ higher or more.
Oh, talking about the pearl white:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=406810&p=770334&hil ... ed#p770334
Oops! Weren't You the seller, eh?! 500£ profit - embarrassing!
- But a dealer has to be an altruist...
4. I bought several things from Soundaffects over the last years. Two Rickenbackers (370/12MID) had paint issues after a few weeks.(No fault of the dealer, BTW!) - Solved by outstanding great, fast and friendly service. An amp I bought from them had a dead circuit after 10 weeks. Solved again by a great, fast and friendly service. So there are good UK dealers.
To be a satisfied customer someone must be "satisfyable".
5. The mix of defiant frustration about free market mechanisms and senteces like "Here in the UK we're pretty used to Ric dealers trying to pull a fast one. Everything from telling blatant lies, to unreasonable price hikes, to 3rd hand defective Rics being sold as 'new B stock'. We've seen and heard it all." while referring to a particular dealer in this thread would be reason enough for me to delete the whole thread if I were a mod/ admin here.
Here You beat the wrong one. IMHO, the wrongest possible.
I'd prefer Peter's way: If You want the same price or even a lower price (for a used one) - wait a minute!
Just my 0,02€...
You've bought a guitar and an amp from these people, both have been faulty and still you're a super happy customer? I'm sure the lovely people at Sound Affects love you too. Kerching!!!!££££
It's completely crass to compare the workings of an authorised Ric dealer with a private sale, but as you're trying to be a bit cute and clever, and not that it's anyone's business except my own, here you go, my PW 330 was sold for exactly the same amount I bought it for.
With regards to the Ruby 330/12's: My only question was why are they charging more than other 330/12's in a standard colour?
Basically they are charging more because they know they can get away with it, and like or not, that is shafting the customer. It's shops like this that are driving UK customers into purchasing second hand and vintage models, rather than buying new, which at the end of the day does nothing to help the Rickenbacker company.
I don't even want a new 330/12 in Ruby. if I did I could have one in my hands within a couple of weeks for about 30% less than SA are shafting people for.As I said in my original post, it's the people that don't know any better that I feel sorry for.
We have a special award for official Ric dealers in the UK that try to shaft customers, and this is only the second time it's ever been awarded, but here you go.
Sound Affects music, we salute you.
Re: 330/12 Rubys
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:30 pm
I can back up every one of those accusations with facts.Hotzenplotz wrote: 5. The mix of defiant frustration about free market mechanisms and senteces like "Here in the UK we're pretty used to Ric dealers trying to pull a fast one. Everything from telling blatant lies, to unreasonable price hikes, to 3rd hand defective Rics being sold as 'new B stock'. We've seen and heard it all." while referring to a particular dealer in this thread would be reason enough for me to delete the whole thread if I were a mod/ admin here.
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I'm sure sound Affects and knob heads like you that wear rose tinted specs would like the thread deleted, but I stand by those statements 100%
Why don't you just go and buy some more broken merchandise from them, and leave the rest of us alone?
Re: 330/12 Rubys
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:44 pm
Behave Yourself, man!
Nothing You said is worth a grown up discussion.
Nothing You said is worth a grown up discussion.
Re: 330/12 Rubys
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:53 pm
So I won't bother any more.Hotzenplotz wrote:Behave Yourself, man!
Re: 330/12 Rubys
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:22 pm
errrr Why the heck should a uk customer pay more for a standard colour again just explain that again...Cause im not happy with that its new and we should pay more attitude.Im sorry but if you look at GG the new LTD ED Walnut guitars are cheaper than any other in their class. Im not gonna pay more for a standard colour guitar and to think that would sit well with a UK customer would be foolish. Id buy elsewhere.
Re: 330/12 Rubys
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:50 pm
Read my point #1 - there is all in.
Very often importers sell to their dealers with some scaled discount, depending from the number of pieces and/or amenities.
E.g. already established products (like fireglo) have a higher discount (more in the importer's stock: lower prices for a faster cash return), new ones less. So as a dealer You can not always offer equal prices. - Except You raise the prices of the established ones, too. - Who in this forum wants that?
I am sure after some time the price of the ruby red ones will be equal to the rest of the colours. That was the same with the MID ones, too.
Just wait a few month - like Peter mentioned.
Of course one can buy elsewhere but do not forget the import taxes...
Very often importers sell to their dealers with some scaled discount, depending from the number of pieces and/or amenities.
E.g. already established products (like fireglo) have a higher discount (more in the importer's stock: lower prices for a faster cash return), new ones less. So as a dealer You can not always offer equal prices. - Except You raise the prices of the established ones, too. - Who in this forum wants that?
I am sure after some time the price of the ruby red ones will be equal to the rest of the colours. That was the same with the MID ones, too.
Just wait a few month - like Peter mentioned.
Of course one can buy elsewhere but do not forget the import taxes...
Re: 330/12 Rubys
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:58 pm
And:
The established colours of the 330/12 cost at GG 50£ more than the so called expensive ruby red at Soundaffects. Unfortunately at GG all of them are out of stock, BTW...
- The ruby red is not even listed at GG. Maybe Soundaffects should raise their prices to that GG level for all models?! Will that satisfy anybody here?
At Sam Ash actually a 330/12 ruby costs 2.220$, plus shipment to the UK (about 200$): 2.420$. Then You have to pay the VAT (19%) for a "legalized" purchase. In total You pay 2.880$ what actually means 1.810£. - For a guitar without a warranty! So where do the UK dealers rob money from their customers when they ask 1.600£ for it???
One more in general:
Sam Ash is buying directly from the factory, an UK dealer from an importer. And this importer wants to earn some money, too.
Even when You get the US tax back (try it!) it is still a very good price in the whole UK.
I am working in that importing high end brand business.
The biggest problem for the prices is the damn ocean and different flow of goods. - And import taxes. You can not expect the same prices like in the oversea country where they are produced.
If You do, buy a thing without warranty (even if there is one, have fun in sending back for some minor warranty repair!) and pray it will work.
The importer and the dealer in Your country take a risk in doing that for You. And unfortunately to provide that structure cost money.
The established colours of the 330/12 cost at GG 50£ more than the so called expensive ruby red at Soundaffects. Unfortunately at GG all of them are out of stock, BTW...
- The ruby red is not even listed at GG. Maybe Soundaffects should raise their prices to that GG level for all models?! Will that satisfy anybody here?
At Sam Ash actually a 330/12 ruby costs 2.220$, plus shipment to the UK (about 200$): 2.420$. Then You have to pay the VAT (19%) for a "legalized" purchase. In total You pay 2.880$ what actually means 1.810£. - For a guitar without a warranty! So where do the UK dealers rob money from their customers when they ask 1.600£ for it???
One more in general:
Sam Ash is buying directly from the factory, an UK dealer from an importer. And this importer wants to earn some money, too.
Even when You get the US tax back (try it!) it is still a very good price in the whole UK.
I am working in that importing high end brand business.
The biggest problem for the prices is the damn ocean and different flow of goods. - And import taxes. You can not expect the same prices like in the oversea country where they are produced.
If You do, buy a thing without warranty (even if there is one, have fun in sending back for some minor warranty repair!) and pray it will work.
The importer and the dealer in Your country take a risk in doing that for You. And unfortunately to provide that structure cost money.
Re: 330/12 Rubys
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:54 am
Rule number one never pay full price for a guitar.
Rule number two theres always a on the day price.
Rule number three see rule number one.
Rule number two theres always a on the day price.
Rule number three see rule number one.
Re: 330/12 Rubys
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:05 am
Spot on Scotty.scotty wrote:Rule number one never pay full price for a guitar.
Rule number two theres always a on the day price.
Rule number three see rule number one.
The other fella is completely missing the point.
It wouldnt matter if Sound Affects were selling them for £50.
The fact that they have hiked up the price just because they can, stinks.
Also, they are the only UK Rickenbacker dealer that uses this forum to advertise, which I thought was against forum rules? Anyway, as they choose to use the forum as a vehicle for free advertising, they should expect to face even closer scrutiny of their practices and pricing policies.
Not all of us are complete mugs from Germany.
Then again, this whole thread may have been one complete wind up from start to finish.
Re: 330/12 Rubys
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:18 pm
Thread locked at least temporarily until heads cool off.