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Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:35 am
by lennon211
paologregorio wrote:feedback wrote:If I have a jetglo double bound c/v series...how do I tell what I've got if I can't compare( to scat. toasters for instance)?..Phil.
Sorry for misunderstanding the question. There's been a lengthy, unresolved thread that asks the question "what word in the English language does 'C' stand for"? JH and the other few souls who know are sworn to secrecy and won't give up the answer to the question, even if the correct answer has been guessed.
Back to your question:
If your guitar is a six string, then it's a V64. There are no double bound six string C63 models, at least not yet. Many forum members hope and pray that this will not always be the case.
If your guitar is a 12 string, then look at the toasters. If they have any slot headed screws on them then your guitar is a C63, if the pickups have only Phillips/cross head screws, then the guitar is a V64. There is also a difference in the fretboard radius; the V64 has a flatter, modern style fretboard radius, while the C63 has the authentic 60s era curved fretboard radius. Unfortunately, I do not have pics of the fretboard radius, so I can't post pics of the difference. I hope this helps.
The pickups aren't the giveaway. My V-Series guitars all have slot headed screws on the pickups. There was a switch over around '99 when the 425v63, 450v63, and 325/12v63 were released.
Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:58 am
by beatlefreak
I believe you'll find that the later V series guitars with slotted corner screws on the pickups have the (then new) 7.4kΩ scatterwound toasters, rather than the hot 12kΩ ones.
Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:45 pm
by paologregorio
Oops. Thanks for the correction. I did not know this. I suppose it's all down to the fretboard radius then, eh?
Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:30 pm
by sloop_john_b
paologregorio wrote:Oops. Thanks for the correction. I did not know this. I suppose it's all down to the fretboard radius then, eh?
Radius, truss rod cover shape, and I believe the body shape is slightly different too.
Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:20 pm
by lennon211
sloop_john_b wrote:paologregorio wrote:Oops. Thanks for the correction. I did not know this. I suppose it's all down to the fretboard radius then, eh?
Radius, truss rod cover shape, and I believe the body shape is slightly different too.
Other than the bracing and interior detail. Oh, also, the bridges on the C series are vintage spec roller-style. Don't know if that's already been mentioned or not.
Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:46 pm
by deaconblues
360c63s also have a different spray pattern - the red comes up further from the tailpiece area, to mimic George's.
The dimples in the black plastic on the toasters might be unique to the C's as well.
Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:55 pm
by paologregorio
Ah, more interesting info re the bridge and spray pattern. I'm not a fan of FG finishes, so I wouldn't have even thought of that.
Are the roller bridges as diffcult to deal with as I've heard?
Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:32 pm
by deaconblues
They're not on the twelves, but I've had rollers on a 325c58 that I sold and the 325c64 I have now. Apparently what matters is string tension - I had no problems with the c58, but the c64's Accent vibrato creates too shallow a break angle, and there's a lot of 'plinking' and light buzzing when played. I just accept it as part of the quirkiness of the design, and it's no big deal. For some people, it's better to just replace the saddles.
I guess if they weren't annoying, they'd still be around! I can't say that they actually make a difference when using the vibrato.
Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:42 pm
by jingle_jangle
The roller bridges are largely unnecessary, and there for historical accuracy. Using the vibrato will only move the strings perhaps 1-2 mm on a full bend, and the non-roller bridges cope very well; the wound strings simply hook the saddles and cause the bridge to tilt fractionally and then tilt back. The roller bridges do buzz with age and cut some sustain, too.
Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:02 pm
by paologregorio
Thanks for the 411. I had wondered what the specifics of the roller bridge were that made them less than ideal.
I can vouch for the compatibility of the standard bridge with the Accent Vibrato, as all of my Ric 6s have them and get regular use!
Has anyone heard from "Feedback" lately? I wonder wheter his Ric is a V or a C.
Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:08 pm
by KingKarlos
We could always invite John Hall for a quick game of hangman....!
C _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
We guess a letter and John only has to answer 'Yes' or 'No' (..this way he doesn't actually have to tell us..)
Surely it shouldn't take that long?
Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:30 pm
by feedback
It's a '96/V so I should have been able to work that out for myself...Doh!Anywaysup---lots of usefull info about the diff's.Ta. Phil.
Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:26 pm
by kiramdear
I can't wait to "C" if we ever get an answer.
Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:11 pm
by RutleDirk
yettoblaster wrote:My 650-C doesn't seem to be in this category.
I understand "V."
What's a "C?"
It's a big place with lots of water, but that's not important right now.
Re: What makes "C" a "C?"
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:37 pm
by jps
RutleDirk wrote:yettoblaster wrote:My 650-C doesn't seem to be in this category.
I understand "V."
What's a "C?"
It's a big place with lots of water, but that's not important right now.
Actually, there are seven Cs.
