Awesome Entwistle video

bobcat · Post by **bobcat** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:00 pm

I really like his bell bottoms on the "The Who in the Cables" picture . . . man, you could fit like four people into those things. The bottoms are at least as big as the waist.

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:41 pm

I'm 53 and I guess you had to have been around back in the early to mid sixties to really appreciate that McCartney stood head and shoulders above the rest. Wilson was a great composer who wrote great bass lines but couldn't play them. I'm sure his lines were among Mac's favorites, but that doesn't mean that he was an influence on him if anything it was the other way around. Wilson has been quoted as saying he was a rudimentary bass player, and I'd be surprised if he played on anything beyond the first couple of albums which sound totally different than their later stuff, by 1964 I don't think Dennis was playing on any of the records either. The bass lines in the later Beachboy's stuff is support for the whole layered style they (Brian) did, by themselves they are really nothing special, it's the whole that was great, not the individual parts. On the other hand take Mac's bass lines and they were very special in their time right from the beginning, every album was light years ahead of the last.
The bass line to I Saw Her standing There is just a variation on a standard blues, you could play I III V VII bass lines I that song also although some of them would not be completed. Most of the early BB songs had that form also.

I always recognized the Lee was a very good bass player with a great sound but couldn't stand his screechy vocals and their saccahrine music, they sound much better to me lately, sounds like they actually learned how to rock in their old age.
I also thought Entwistle was great but one dimensional.

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:01 am

>>Trump has what is called expensive bad taste ... and one of the worst hair cuts in the western world ...<<

Or as Dolly Parton says "it takes a lot of money to look that cheap."

henry5 · Post by **henry5** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:26 am

Glenn, according to my taste I would agree with your assessment of Trump's haircut, but he obviously feels different....

With regards to the taste issue, let's take it closer to home. If taste, whether good or bad, is an absolute and not dependent upon an individual's preferences, consider the following Rickenbacker features:

"baby" headstocks vs "60s" ones, or any variation thereof
differing neck profiles
deluxe features vs S-type
horseshoe vs high gain vs toaster vs humbucker
mapleglo vs fireglo vs jetglo etc etc
plexi trc vs rased
late 70s body shape vs 60s
4001 vs 4003 vs V63 vs CS etc etc

As for the correlation between intelligence/education and taste, I have been informed that I have an IQ of 150, and I was educated at an English Grammar School followed by 4 years higher education studying Fine Art/ Illustration, and yet strangely I have no problem with Pamela Anderson whatsoever. She seems fairly funny and self-deprecating and supports animal rights, which I admire. I also like comics, Kill Bill 1&2, mohawk/mohican (uk term) hairdos (wish I had the hair!), Motorhead, pulp fiction (novels that is, although I enjoyed the film too), basses with stickers on and Mel Brooks films. Oh, and I think Geddy Lee is a great bassist. So everyone is free to draw their own conclusions as to whether or not I have good taste...

A while back I had a discussion about Rickenbacker basses with someone who I would consider educated, intelligent and, by my standards, tasteful. He was saying that he considered them "aesthetically challenged", and likened them to "50s fridges or radios". I informed him I thought of them more like late 50s/early 60s American cars, which I love. "Exactly" he said. "I think they're hideous too".

Consider Gaudi's La Sagrada Familial. I feel it's one of the most beautiful buildings in the world, but I've heard it described by people every bit as well-educated and intelligent as myself as "looking like it's melted"... they've then gone on to sing the praises of Victorian English architecture, which for the most part I detest.

And finally, if we take the taste issue literally, i.e. with respect to food, I know lots of people who love the taste of olives. And I absolutely hate the taste of olives....

FWIW you'll never catch me wearing a moustache either but I'm sure John Hall (and probably several Forum members!) would be rather aggrieved (and rightly so!) if I claimed they were in poor taste!

atomic_punk · Post by **atomic_punk** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:41 am

Since when do we run architecture smack in here? I love it, bring it on!

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:54 am

yep a 4003 with binding, triangle inlays, the pickup cover, the mechanical mute and ric-o-sound is the equivalent of a '57 Chevy with all of its chrome and fins ...

henry5 · Post by **henry5** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:22 am

Oh, by the way, that should be "plexi vs raised". I wish I could type....

Steve, I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. I'll stop now...I hope

Jeff, love them both....

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:34 am

Shaun,

I did mention Trump, but most of the observations about him have come from others, here, I believe.

I do feel that if observations regarding his sense of taste were limited to his hair, I would not have mentioned him.

As per what Rickenbacker instruments look like, though I do like the way they look, their appeal for me mainly is how they sound and their playability.

>> I think Geddy Lee is a great bassist.<<

As he keeps popping up in an Entwistle thread, I must add that, vocally, Geddy reminds me of a Munchkin (in Fly By Night especially.)

That in itself would not stop me from listening to Rush as the Wizard of Oz is one of my favorite films, but compared to Geddy, the Munchkins had better material, more interesting clothes and more appealing hairstyles, even if they lacked a bass player.

Gratuitous wankery is a stellar phrase, by the way, would be a great band name too.

nattiep · Post by **nattiep** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:37 am

You ever listen to the Rush instrumentals? No screetchy vocals there. You ever listen to anything from '82+? Hardly any screetchy vocals there.

pekka · Post by **pekka** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:38 am

"Fly By Night"...I've always wondered why any powerpop band haven't made a cover, it's a quite catchy pop song. Also "New World Man", "Bacchus Plateau", "The Spirit Of Radio" even. Maybe The Posies will since they are quite a big Rush fans.

Have anyone heard Silver Sun's version of "Xanadu". 4 minutes long and it's a treat.

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:58 am

My favorite instrumental band is Los Straitjackets.

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:07 pm

I liked Rush's real early stuff, maybe their first two albums when it was obvious he was playing a Ric although not for that reason, they just got too processed for me.

nattiep · Post by **nattiep** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:04 pm

First album was a P bass!
I have a pic of him using it live with Rutsey too, but it's way too big... anyone wanna post it?

bobcat · Post by **bobcat** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:05 pm

The Ric sound on "Fly By Night" (the album, as well as the song) is quite amazing.

Actually, I was wondering, does anyone know what basses Entwistle used on what albums? Like, I know he used a ton of different stuff live, but I have no idea what he played in the studio and when. And, also, why wasn't he brought to the front of the mix all the time?

pekka · Post by **pekka** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:34 pm

Bobcat, be my guest:

http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/equipment/bass/equip-entwistlegear.html