Global warming 'irreversible' for next 1000 years

[brammy]

Hmmmm... I think you might be right!

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[brammy]

For me, the FINAL WORD is that the science is FAR from settled ....
however if y'all want THIS debate to be over, thats ok with me.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm? ... 2d71db52d9

"I am a skeptic … Global warming has become a new religion." --- Ivar Giaever, a Nobel Prize Winner for Physics

(warming fears are the) "worst scientific scandal in the history … When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists." --- UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist

http://www.alabamawx.com/?p=7509
*The earth is no warmer now than it was in 1998.
*Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, but a gas indispensable to plant life. Plants, in turn, release oxygen, which sustains animal and human life.
*The primary greenhouse gas is water vapor, not carbon dioxide.
*The lack of solar activity in recent months suggests global cooling might be our biggest potential climate change problem in coming years.
*The planet has had weather disasters, extremes, and anomalies since it has been here. We just didn’t have 24 hour news channels and the Internet in prior decades to spread the news.

The REAL question I have is.... "where can I find an inexpensive RIck 375/12?"

[winston]

For me, the FINAL WORD is that the science is FAR from settled ....
however if y'all want THIS debate to be over, thats ok.

That's not necessary at all Kent. This has been a great debate and a very interesting read.

[brammy]

Hey Brian... any thoughts on a 375/12?

[sloop_john_b]

Hey Brian... any thoughts on a 375/12?

You want a 12-string with a vibrato? Have fun tuning it up!

[winston]

I want to find my old FG 375 OS 6 string first......... A FG 375 OS 12 would be incredible.

[brammy]

(..... while we bide our time waiting for an on-topic posting.....)

what does the "OS" stand for?

You want a 12-string with a vibrato? Have fun tuning it up!

Yea, you're right there. It's actually the 3-pickup 21-frets that I'm after. But in all honesty, I know it would be pricey and these days I just justify that sort of spending.

[rick_ovic]

"OS" = Old Style - the 360/365/370/375 style prior to 1964 featuring binding both back and front and no rounded top.
"NS" = New Style - 360/365/370/375 style introduced in 1964 featurning a rounded top and binding on the back only.

We had the hottest day in recorded history in Melbourne yesterday at 46.4C.

[brammy]

oh yea.... I knew that..... me bad.

375 OS

personally, I'd prefer an NS

[antipodean]

We had the hottest day in recorded history in Melbourne yesterday at 46.4C.

Not only did Melbourne have the hottest day in recorded history, but a huge swathe of the state of Victoria is up in flames. This is looking as the biggest natural disaster in the state's history.

Our family's thought and prayers are with all the residents of the affected areas and the fire crews who have worked and continue to work tirelessly in horrendous conditions.

[johnallg]

Interestingly, I've heard people answer "chickens" to that question. This answer always comes from hardcore PETA/ELF/ALF types who dont value a human life over the life of an animal (sometimes quite the opposite) .... and that is why the question makes a point of having more than one chicken.

Any way you slice it, the responses to that question can be very interesting and revealing, eh? It's NOT a trick question.... but I suppose some people think it is and try to give it a tricky answer.

Kent, this post reminds me of the car filled with bumper stickers I followed for a mile or so a few years back. Among the varied stickers covering the back of her car, this young (appeared to be in her early 20s) miss had one sticker bemoaning the inhuman treatment of calves for veal, and another that stated "I am Pro-Choice and I vote". I hadn't felt that bad about the human race in a very long time....

[johnallg]

Doggone it...try as I'd like to stay away, this topic gets me where I live (and where everyone else does, too). It's wrong to characterize the two sides of this debate as 'pro-human' and 'anti-human'...and just as it might be wrong to hate humanity, a 'humanity-uber-alles' frame of mind ignores a lot of what's going wrong in the world.

So, I whipped up another 'hypothetical' I like to call 'drug or money': a woman with a baby-making fetish (and no husband), who's already 'made' six of them (one of whom is autistic), walks into a room with a table in it. On one end of the table is a vial containing a powerful 'fertility' drug...on the other end is a big pile of taxpayers' dollars, earmarked by a previous political administration for 'abstinence education', but otherwise up for grabs...

What's to prevent her from grabbing the drug and the money, and going to the nearest clinic to have a 'litter' of eight?

Fourteen new humans, with no independent means of support, are going to cost you and me a lot more than a cage of chickens would...and while I'm 'pro-human' enough to be opposed to eugenics and in favor of individual reproductive rights, I can't condone completely irresponsible 'procreation' (in either the 'old' or 'new' meaning of that term).

So what's it gonna be: the drug or the money? Or in the case of what's happened out in California, both...

Dane, make the choice the fertility drug or an offer of employment. As it is set up, both offer free money.

[johnallg]

Oil is STILL CHEAP. Until it isn't we as a people will be slow to change.

Rikk, to me this is the only 100% truth posted in the whole thread. I am continually amazed that gasoline-powered engines date back to the 1860s and we are still pulling up to the pump. Until there is ample profit in it, a switch from this source of energy will not happen.

[johnallg]

severe drought in parts of world

10 years and counting in Australia so far...

"AUSTRALIA had its hottest January on record, in line with a pattern that has seen the country's average temperature rise over the past five decades" (Sydney Morning Herald, 31/01/2009)

"Melbourne recorded its second highest-ever temperature last week - 45.1 degrees[113º Fahrenheit] - falling just short of the record - 45.6 - degrees on Black Friday, 13 January 1939."
(The Age, 04/02/2009)

"Mildura is on track to record 13 consecutive days of temperatures in excess of 40 degrees[104º Fahrenheit], which Jones says is nearly double the previous record"
(The Age, 04/02/2009)

"Weather Bureau records show there has not been a heatwave of this severity since the keeping of records began in the mid-1880s."
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009 ... 479064.htm)

Sounds like the Great State of Arizona. They spend almost the whole summer with those temps. Death Valley CA hits 115-120s regularly all summer.

[johnallg]

Crazed radical environmental sky-is-falling inaccurate doom'n'gloom BS?

Do you get your science news from [insert loud annoying pundit] or something? Issues such as global climate change (including the warming trend) have been very well documented, much more so than the counter arguments have as yet. A lot of the "global warming is false" talk has been generated by politicians and journalists rather than scientists. What scientific claims have been raised against it are a mixed bag of ideas that aren't always well hashed-out, as though they are often knee-jerk reactions against the theory.

I dislike blind "environmentalism" as much as the next person but there is nothing wrong with A) a concern for the state of the world community informed by well-documented scientific theory (such as telling someone not to walk off of a cliff because of this theory about gravity you read about); B) a concern for the ecosphere and for biodiversity, because it has been shown time and time again that WHAT IS GOOD FOR IT IS GOOD FOR US; C) taking action in your own life, even small ones such as, yes, not being wasteful by running lights all of the time--if you can't handle the "guilt" this brings with it (none) then see a psychotherapist.

Josh, how do you discount Kent's links to the 650 or so scientists who disagree with you? With decades of a head start, the opposing view scientists are just starting to weight the data and see it not point to the dire predictions. Since it is not the popular view, and they do not control the media, they have little outlet.

I have two personal events to report concerning our air and water. In 1976, I took a photography class and the project was nature, so I went to the Nature Center here and walked about their properties. The Kalamazoo River flows there, and SW Michigan has for a hundred years and more been paper manufacturing country. The river was milky white with pollutants. Today that river flows clear. In 1973, I drove my sibs from Phoenix to LA (122 degrees on the Mohave desert). We stayed in an Anaheim hotel on the 14th floor. You could not see 2 blocks because of the pollution and smog. We went to Long Beach to the ocean and it was a cloudless day but you could not see the sun because the air was so thick with pollution. In 2006 when I was out that way, it was a totally different air quality situation. Sure there is still room for improvement, but the air was so clean and breathable from what it used to be. We have made great strides reversing the impact to the environment caused by terrible industry practices, and poor auto design. Anyone remember the river in Cleveland burning because it was so polluted? Lake Erie, where it dumped, was so polluted it was declared dead - negligible to no fish. Today it looks like the other Great Lakes, clear, and supports life again and even swimming. Yes, we have actually come a long way.