Horseshoe mounting plates-Differences

iamthebassman · Post by **iamthebassman** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 4:12 am

Tell me about it! That's why I started this thread, I'm so confused.

wints · Post by **wints** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:54 pm

I'm going to have to get that E Bay surround for my 67 project. Chances another coming up are practically zero. It could be a reissue, or the real deal...

jps · Post by **jps** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:41 am

From looking at all the photographic evidence I have seen in books and various places online, the surround does indeed look like the real deal from the '60s! None of the reissues have that severe a taper on the back part, it is just like Ken's surround.

wints · Post by **wints** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:52 am

I sniped in late at $312...only to have forgot to sign in....I am still pi**ed at myself!

route66guitars · Post by **route66guitars** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:35 pm

>>as i mentioned in another thread the surround on the 63 in the smith book has got to be a re-isue it should look like teds, not that of a late v63.<<

I know for a fact the natural '63 4001 in Richard Smith's book was 100% original. We had that '63 at Voltage Guitars back in the mid-1980s. I remember it was still hanging on the wall in our shop when the book came out in '87, because I was the one who noticed it was the same instrument. Gotta love maple grain...

It was the cleanest, and one of the two most beautiful early 4001s I have ever seen. Not a screw out of place.

Sj

jps · Post by **jps** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:49 am

Thanks for verifying that Scott!!!

I couldn't imagine that bass having a reissue part on it.

jps · Post by **jps** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:10 pm

"the suround on ebay is a 60s or a very very good copy[ someone snag it]"

Snagged! A friend got it for me!

As soon as I get it I'll let you know if it's the real deal from the '60's.

jps · Post by **jps** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:15 pm

It came today. Here are some pics I did today of the surround:

This is a real mid '60s surround. There is a lot of handwork on it and the taper is not symmetrical. Very cool!

Overall it is in decent shape for it's age; I wonder where the rest of the bass is?

ken_swearingen · Post by **ken_swearingen** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:52 pm

Nice work Jeff,i really thought Andrew was going to snag it for his [67]. It looks the same as mine ,try to find another one of those [needle in a haystack there]GOOD JOB still am skeptical of the 63 surround i believe its a re-issue

wints · Post by **wints** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:43 am

It does certainly look like a 60's part. Hard to believe it came off an early V or CS.
Jeff, I think you need to pass that on to me for a profit

That might be the only one I EVER find to fully complete my 67 project.
Don't be telling me your going to put it on a 70's bass

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jps · Post by **jps** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:52 am

Actually I was thinking of putting on this:

'04 vintage, I would never consider putting it on a '70s bass.

Scott Doseck said it needs a vintage surround to make it complete!

I'll think about your project for a few days before I do anything as I have to admit I do feel a bit guilty. Nah!!! Well, maybe just a bit.

Do you have some pics of the project?

bob_atherton · Post by **bob_atherton** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:09 am

And here is another from my prototype V63 (May 84) I Think this is an early horseshoe though..?

wints · Post by **wints** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:33 am

Here it is Jeff...Probably the rarest of 60's Ric basses. A domestic 4001S that was not even advertised by the factory for sale in the 60's catalogs. I'm needing some horseshoes and a toaster but that won't be a problem. Finding a period correct surround, that's another story...

Unless someone parts out a very early V which I believe had the 60's surrounds, it could be a long wait.
Now Jeff, do you really want an authentic vintage part on your 04 bass when you could be of great help in the completion of a very rare vintage bass...

jps · Post by **jps** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:33 pm

If I sell it to you, you will have to come get it at the Confluence!

aceonbass · Post by **aceonbass** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:16 pm

Andrew, I believe that if a pattern is made from the vintage surround that it could be transferred to a current V63 surround (about $75.00) which could then be re-cut and re-plated to match the original. While this would not be an original '60's part, it would at least be an original although modified RIC part that would make your bass look complete and correct.
Jeffrey, would you mind making me a tracing of your vintage surround,including the screw holes,on heavy paper or poster board so that I might do this for myself sometime in the future?