Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:14 am
Barry--It sounds like this is a job for S Man!!
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:11 am
Wow Jeff ! That's beautiful ! Is that a conversion from 4001 to 4001S ? Should I do that to a 77 Autumnglo ? Looks very comfortable .
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:04 pm
My '67 4005WB has the thinnest neck I have felt.
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:13 pm
Barry - why the change on the Cii from the HB1s to toasters? Curious. Jeff Scott did that also.
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:08 pm
For what it is worth.
This is the last effort from the forum to make a database.
Rickenbacker 400x Bass Neck Measurements
Owner Model Year 1st Fret 7th Fret 12th Fret 16th Fret Nut WD 12th Fret WD
J Hering 4003 2002 0.950 0.950 0.980 1.080
M. Hutchinson 4003 2004 0.920 0.920 0.950 0.980
T Staberow 4001 1975 0.885 0.865 0.875 0.88
T Staberow 4001 1963 0.830 0.850 0.850 0.925
C Merrin 4001 1975 0.868 0.835 0.838 0.87
J Drysdale 4003 1996 0.830 0.810 0.810 0.840
J Drysdale 4001 1972 0.870 0.860 0.860 0.880
J Allgaier 4003 2004 0.927 0.946 0.970 1.048
K Teed 4001V63 1992 0.882 0.882 0.897 0.904 1.655 2.075
K Teed 4001V63 1993 0.892 0.895 0.905 0.945 1.720 2.150
D Pascoe 4001JG 1972 0.882 0.890 0.902 0.925 1.700 2.049
D Pascoe 4001FG 1972 0.877 0.860 0.871 0.883 1.680 2.093
D Pascoe 4001BG 1974 0.868 0.879 0.895 0.962 1.699 2.144
D Pascoe 4/3/8 Silve 1986 0.852 0.870 0.932 0.997 1.639 2.066
D Pascoe Shadow 1986 0.846 0.897 0.944 0.969 1.614 2.054
D Pascoe 4001V63 1997 0.909 0.889 0.899 0.917 1.737 2.151
D Pascoe 4001CS 1998 0.899 0.891 0.905 0.905 1.707 2.124
D Pascoe 4003MID 2002 0.958 0.944 0.973 0.986 1.700 2.125
D Pascoe 4003TUR 2002 0.954 0.952 0.981 1.000 1.699 2.147
D Pascoe 4003MB lh 2003 0.917 0.938 0.963 0.918 1.695 2.115
D Pascoe 4001C64 2003 0.917 0.888 0.892 0.911 1.699 2.110
D Pascoe 4003FG 2005 0.984 0.940 0.964 0.981 1.720 2.143
MISC
D Pascoe 4005 1967 0.832 0.870 0.876 0.879 1.684 2.096
D Pascoe 4080WHT 1975 0.891 0.836 0.889 0.888 1.607 2.027
D Pascoe 4080AZ 1975 1.097 0.872 0.884 0.876 1.592 2.057
D Pascoe 4000FG 1975 0.913 0.871 0.881 0.891 1.660 2.085
D Pascoe 4080BG 1979 0.98 0.902 0.899 1.362 1.694 2.017
D Pascoe 3001 1979 0.938 0.924 0.926 1.270 1.673 2.094
D Pascoe 4002 1982 0.932 0.862 0.918 0.948 1.621 2.039
D Pascoe 2050 1988 0.933 0.929 0.963 1.24 1.642 2.133
This is the last effort from the forum to make a database.
Rickenbacker 400x Bass Neck Measurements
Owner Model Year 1st Fret 7th Fret 12th Fret 16th Fret Nut WD 12th Fret WD
J Hering 4003 2002 0.950 0.950 0.980 1.080
M. Hutchinson 4003 2004 0.920 0.920 0.950 0.980
T Staberow 4001 1975 0.885 0.865 0.875 0.88
T Staberow 4001 1963 0.830 0.850 0.850 0.925
C Merrin 4001 1975 0.868 0.835 0.838 0.87
J Drysdale 4003 1996 0.830 0.810 0.810 0.840
J Drysdale 4001 1972 0.870 0.860 0.860 0.880
J Allgaier 4003 2004 0.927 0.946 0.970 1.048
K Teed 4001V63 1992 0.882 0.882 0.897 0.904 1.655 2.075
K Teed 4001V63 1993 0.892 0.895 0.905 0.945 1.720 2.150
D Pascoe 4001JG 1972 0.882 0.890 0.902 0.925 1.700 2.049
D Pascoe 4001FG 1972 0.877 0.860 0.871 0.883 1.680 2.093
D Pascoe 4001BG 1974 0.868 0.879 0.895 0.962 1.699 2.144
D Pascoe 4/3/8 Silve 1986 0.852 0.870 0.932 0.997 1.639 2.066
D Pascoe Shadow 1986 0.846 0.897 0.944 0.969 1.614 2.054
D Pascoe 4001V63 1997 0.909 0.889 0.899 0.917 1.737 2.151
D Pascoe 4001CS 1998 0.899 0.891 0.905 0.905 1.707 2.124
D Pascoe 4003MID 2002 0.958 0.944 0.973 0.986 1.700 2.125
D Pascoe 4003TUR 2002 0.954 0.952 0.981 1.000 1.699 2.147
D Pascoe 4003MB lh 2003 0.917 0.938 0.963 0.918 1.695 2.115
D Pascoe 4001C64 2003 0.917 0.888 0.892 0.911 1.699 2.110
D Pascoe 4003FG 2005 0.984 0.940 0.964 0.981 1.720 2.143
MISC
D Pascoe 4005 1967 0.832 0.870 0.876 0.879 1.684 2.096
D Pascoe 4080WHT 1975 0.891 0.836 0.889 0.888 1.607 2.027
D Pascoe 4080AZ 1975 1.097 0.872 0.884 0.876 1.592 2.057
D Pascoe 4000FG 1975 0.913 0.871 0.881 0.891 1.660 2.085
D Pascoe 4080BG 1979 0.98 0.902 0.899 1.362 1.694 2.017
D Pascoe 3001 1979 0.938 0.924 0.926 1.270 1.673 2.094
D Pascoe 4002 1982 0.932 0.862 0.918 0.948 1.621 2.039
D Pascoe 2050 1988 0.933 0.929 0.963 1.24 1.642 2.133
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:25 pm
Hi John . My favorite bass sound has always been single coil . 4001 , flatwound , palm muted , played with a pick or 4001 roundwound . I have not been able to duplicate that single coil tone on the 4004 . The toasters will be an experiment in my never ending search for tone . I like the 4004 very much comfort wise and for deep finger style playing . Just need to test the waters.
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:29 pm
So Barry, how does the neck of the 4004 compare to the '77?
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:43 pm
A 1977 AutumnGlo.....Barry, should you decide to sell that baby, keep me in mind! 
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:09 pm
Thanks, Barry!
No...no converting is necessary. That's an '87 4003S. Pretty similar to a '77 4001 in feel and tone(except that she was born without a cap), only my right wrist is happier playing the S.
I would think that converting would be a huge PIA. 4003S models are out there, but not very common.
No...no converting is necessary. That's an '87 4003S. Pretty similar to a '77 4001 in feel and tone(except that she was born without a cap), only my right wrist is happier playing the S.
I would think that converting would be a huge PIA. 4003S models are out there, but not very common.
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:35 pm
John...The 4004 neck is bigger everywhere next to a 4001 but for me it is still on the small side . My 4004 neck is very close in dimension to my 64 P Bass . Very flat oval and thin.... finger board to back of neck .
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:01 pm
Barry - thanks for the explanation on the toasters. I guess that's what I like about the 4004 - different and meatier than my pup-modded 4003. Whereas my 4003 (toaster and unwound-6.8k/alnico5 magnets bridge) sounds like how I hear a 4001 on classic recordings (Yes, Genesis, Rush, Wishbone Ash, etc.), the 4004C sounds still like a Rick, with clank and growl, but has the high gain/humbucker sound and capable of deeper heft, if you will.
I really like the body profile of my 4004C - soft angled edges. I also love the neck - I can't imagine a 4001 being slimmer in profile. I'm glad John_L asked the question as I too wondered. My 4004C neck is appreciably thinner (but with the profile you describe) than my 2004 4003.
I really like the body profile of my 4004C - soft angled edges. I also love the neck - I can't imagine a 4001 being slimmer in profile. I'm glad John_L asked the question as I too wondered. My 4004C neck is appreciably thinner (but with the profile you describe) than my 2004 4003.
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:07 pm
John . Absolutely correct on the 4004 . If the toasters end up being too thin the humbuckers are going back on !
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:38 pm
I can think of three people, Rath, Scott, and Pappas that can vouch for the way toasters sound in a 4004Cii and its anything but thin. Just make sure the pups are at least 5mms away from the strings, 4mm is better if you can manage it. I like the neck on the 4004 too, it's wide but it's sure got a nice backside profile.
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:57 pm
Hey Mark....I've been looking at your toaster / 4004 since I found this forum . Very Nice ! I hope I will be able to install the gold covers from the Cii onto the new toasters .
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:09 pm
Well I can't take credit for the toasters, that would be Mr. Scott(have you seen his fretless with toasters). Really love this bass, I have three other ricks I could play but I just seem to be drawn to this one, definitely a keeper.