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Mark, Sean is saying to negotiate when hired, one on one, and if conditions in the world or your job situation change, go in and talk to your boss and try and work out new terms. If that comes to an impasse or not to your liking, you can then decide to continue or move on. You seem to still be looking at negotiations as a group bargaining thing.

Hi John. Well, you're right, I agree with what you say. But here is where I see a difference: this situation was not something the writers were able to address upon hire. So they did go in to talk to their bosses. They attempted to negotiate, and were rejected outright. So, now it has come to an impasse, not to the writers' liking. What's the next step? In your view, they should quit their jobs. Well, guess what? The writers have quit their jobs...however, if they are able to negotiate a more advantageous future for themselves, they will come back to work.

My question to you...what's the difference to a boss? So their workers quit their jobs. They can say sianara and hire new writers, right? Sure they can. Done deal. Workers stopped working, let's hire new ones. The only problem for the bosses is, well, maybe they do want to keep those old writers who have refused to work under those terms. And if they want to keep them, they can still have them, if they negotiate new terms. But if the bosses don't want to negotiate, fine...they hire elsewhere.

If I were a writer about to be hung out to dry, I would flex some muscle...your option is that I should just lose my job outright. Well, tell that to your wife and kids. If you agree it's worth fighting for, this is how it can be done.

You're wrong. The writers have not quit their jobs. They are on strike. Because of the union, their jobs are still waiting for them. That's how unions work.

They should be without a job for insubordination.

So why don't they fire them? Is that not allowable?

lyle_from_minneapolis wrote:So why don't they fire them? Is that not allowable?

Pretty much. The employers have contracts with the unions. If they had the power to fire them, no one would strike, right? It's too bad.

phlemmy wrote:The employers have contracts with the unions. If they had the power to fire them, no one would strike, right? It's too bad.

Well, it takes two to sign a contract. So one party exercised their option. They're not getting paychecks either. I see why you dislike the union mentality, however, your only options as an employee without them are a) get royally screwed in every orifice or b) give up. Accept the screwing or quit? Seems like a losing philosophy.

The writers are getting paid out of the union funds. They are set up to give a wage, likely a lessened one, to striking employees.

An employer should have the right and the power to hire and fire anyone at any time for any reason, unquestioned. Unfortunately we live in a world where PC, diversity (read: affirmative action) and other nonsensical ideals have infiltrated our workplaces.

phlemmy wrote:An employer should have the right and the power to hire and fire anyone at any time for any reason, unquestioned.

Disagree. Boss comes on to your wife, she refuses his advances, he fires her. Under your notion no one should question that one, just accept it and move on. Sounds like the sort of arrangement Putin would approve.

I stand by my statement 100%.

A crippled existence in which the employer has every right and the workingman has none. Interesting viewpoint, not sure why you hold it, but I see that you do. I will cease my unnecessary typing and get back to overseeing my employees.

as any good employer should.

Hail hail the scabs!

NEW YORK (AP) - NBC's "Last Call with Carson Daly" is about to become the first late- night talk show to defy the writers strike and resume production.

Daly, who is not a member of the Writers Guild, will begin taping new episodes of his Burbank-based show this week for airing next week, an NBC spokesperson confirmed Tuesday.

The half-hour "Last Call" airs at 1:35 a.m. EST weeknights, but whether Daly's first new episode would air next Monday or Tuesday was initially unclear. No guests were disclosed.

"The Writers Guild of America, East joins our colleagues of the Writers Guild of America, West in expressing our profound disappointment with Carson Daly's decision to return to work," the guild said in a statement that also commended other late-night talk show hosts for showing solidarity with their writers. "We thank them and hope that Mr. Daly will reconsider his decision, including the soliciting of scab writers to provide material for his program."

Daly is not the first talk-show host to go back into production. Ellen DeGeneres, who is a member of the union, has continued taping her daytime syndicated talk show after shutting down the first day of the strike. But "Last Call" becomes the first to break ranks among the late-night shows, which all had chosen to air repeats rather than tape new shows without their striking writers.

It was unclear what effect, if any, the return of "Last Call" would have on other late-night talk shows, which include NBC's "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" and "Late Night with Conan O'Brien," CBS' "Late Show with David Letterman" and "Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson," and ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" Comedy Central's late-night news-and- commentary spoofs, "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart" and "The Colbert Report" with Stephen Colbert, have also been in reruns.

There was no immediate word on when any of those shows might follow suit and return with new episodes.

On Monday, contract talks with the studios resumed for the first time since movie and TV writers went on strike Nov. 5. The Writers Guild is seeking more money for material distributed over the Internet and cell phones.

kudos to Jay Leno

http://weblogs.variety.com/wga_strike_b ... ow-la.html