Not exactly the quote but....."those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it".
There's also nothing wrong with being a collector of historical artifacts IMO. I have quite a few bits in my "war room" that, I suppose by some, could be seen as distateful but they round out my WWi and WWII collection.
"LK: I got to give it to the man [Adolf Hitler], one thing that he did have was unshakable f***ing faith. (...) I say, it was sixty years ago so get f***ing over it."
The accomplishments Hitler made as a maniac set on taking over the world and his "final solution" are something that should not be forgotten and his successes on the battlefield were impressive.......I view it as more a nut with a single minded drive to dominate the world and impose his warped views but it could be expressed as "unshakable ******* faith" as well I suppose. Whether he should have said "get over it" is debatable but there is something to be said for remembering the past but also moving on and not dwelling too much as well. It's only his opinion and doesn't seem too damning to me.
I remember a similar thread path being taken when the LK's started rolling out. Something about the "acorn and oak leaf" being Nazi symbols. I thought it was a tribute to cuckoo clocks.......who knew? (I love my LK anyway BTW)
Re: A Lemmy I can afford!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:23 pm
by nattiep
tennis_nick wrote:I mean Hitler btw, not you!
I knew who you meant.
But you're exatly right. I wish I had Hitler's drive for what I want to do. he was obsessed with something evil, and he was determined to get it done. The evil was.. well evil.. but his determination was incredible.
I agree with Brian about the battlefield too. Man was a genius (minus attacking the then USSR).
Re: A Lemmy I can afford!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:27 pm
by incubus2432
nattiep wrote:Man was a genius (minus attacking the then USSR).
Well, just USSR might have been bearable.....the problem was too many fronts at once spread his forces to thin. Plus the heinous Siberian winters and dwindling supply lines sealed the deal.
Re: A Lemmy I can afford!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:32 pm
by aceonbass
jingle_jangle wrote:A parallel in some ways to today, I wonder?
I would think so. When you realize that much of the world sees the US as the biggest threat to world peace, it's not hard to see the similarities. Unlike Nazi Germany, the US has practically unlimited power and for the time being, resources to do as it wants to in the world. Fortuantely, many of the similarities will end after the upcoming election....I hope.
Re: A Lemmy I can afford!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:46 pm
by jingle_jangle
This could quickly turn political (or maybe it has) but I'm seeing more and more that reg'lar folks just don't want to know anymore. This is the kind of vulnerability that we don't want. I'd rather see a Howard Beale "mad as hell" attitude; it would have saved us trillions of our own money and many lives.
Re: A Lemmy I can afford!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:01 pm
by aceonbass
So true Paul. At least the other party would have spent the money here on those wasteful social programs.
Re: A Lemmy I can afford!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:22 pm
by brianeharmonjr
jingle_jangle wrote:This could quickly turn political (or maybe it has) but I'm seeing more and more that reg'lar folks just don't want to know anymore. This is the kind of vulnerability that we don't want. I'd rather see a Howard Beale "mad as hell" attitude; it would have saved us trillions of our own money and many lives.
Wow Paul, it's insane how poignant that clip is right now. It is incredibly frustrating and troubling that the vast majority of people don't seem aware enough to be "mad as hell".
Re: A Lemmy I can afford!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:36 pm
by aceonbass
And if you try to make them aware of what's really going on, those same people get VERY agitated...which is a standard response that anyone has when confronted with evidence that conflicts with a long held belief they've had.
Re: A Lemmy I can afford!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:59 pm
by ricnbacker
jingle_jangle wrote:A parallel in some ways to today, I wonder?
I was going to add that but figured this was getting heated enough.....
Re: A Lemmy I can afford!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:03 pm
by ricnbacker
brianeharmonjr wrote:
jingle_jangle wrote:This could quickly turn political (or maybe it has) but I'm seeing more and more that reg'lar folks just don't want to know anymore. This is the kind of vulnerability that we don't want. I'd rather see a Howard Beale "mad as hell" attitude; it would have saved us trillions of our own money and many lives.
Wow Paul, it's insane how poignant that clip is right now. It is incredibly frustrating and troubling that the vast majority of people don't seem aware enough to be "mad as hell".
I think many people are mad as hell but feel usless in this day and age of Polictical correctness that we are laying down and seeing what happens next....
Re: A Lemmy I can afford!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:10 pm
by aceonbass
That attitude resulted in an outcome in the election of 2000, which changed the course of world history for the worse. I hope more people get informed and involved this time around.
Re: A Lemmy I can afford!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:14 pm
by phlemmy
wait, political correctness came as a result of the 2000 election?
seriously? since we're not to talk politics on this site, i'll just stop.
Re: A Lemmy I can afford!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:17 pm
by jingle_jangle
I think he means laying down and seeing what happens next...like yer gopher, Sean...
Re: A Lemmy I can afford!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:58 pm
by nattiep
incubus2432 wrote:
nattiep wrote:Man was a genius (minus attacking the then USSR).
Well, just USSR might have been bearable.....the problem was too many fronts at once spread his forces to thin. Plus the heinous Siberian winters and dwindling supply lines sealed the deal.
Oh yeah. Big mistake doin it all at once. he shoulda kept the Soviets thinking they were friends for longer. Oh wait.. no.. then we'd all be nazi's and all my fav actresses wouldn't be around (they're pretty much all jewish).
jingle_jangle wrote:This could quickly turn political (or maybe it has) but I'm seeing more and more that reg'lar folks just don't want to know anymore. This is the kind of vulnerability that we don't want. I'd rather see a Howard Beale "mad as hell" attitude; it would have saved us trillions of our own money and many lives.
Brillaint post Paul.
Re: A Lemmy I can afford!
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:02 pm
by johnallg
jingle_jangle wrote:Obsession. Strong stuff. When other folks hit that point beyond which they can't be bothered anymore, the obsessive just keeps on truckin'.
Kind of like joining this forum and getting the unbridled RAS obsession, as it seems happens to just about all of us.