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Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:06 pm
by jps
I got pics to prove it, too!

Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:07 pm
by cassius987
Was he using his combo signature rig (and did you like it)? No tweeter concerns me ever so slightly.
Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:57 pm
by woodyng
nice pick jeff! clearly demonstrating mr berlin's right hand positioning over the bridge pickup....i am also with jeff b in that i have never cared for the sound of tweeters in bass cabinets....just turn up the treble if you need to and get it from the speakers.....
edit-josh could your tweete possibly be what is causing your concern for excessive zing?
Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:47 pm
by jps
cassius987 wrote:Was he using his combo signature rig (and did you like it)? No tweeter concerns me ever so slightly.
Loose the tweet, dude!
Berlin's amp of choice at the time was this:
Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:28 pm
by sloop_john_b
My $.02: Joshua, you are a great player and knowledgeable as well - please don't take this with any disrespect, but I think you need to concern yourself less with how fretless your fretless bass sounds and more with the arrangement of that song.
Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:18 pm
by cassius987
John, the song is not really anything close to finished. Don't worry about that--I just needed some tones to show you guys.
Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:23 pm
by cassius987
jps wrote:cassius987 wrote:Was he using his combo signature rig (and did you like it)? No tweeter concerns me ever so slightly.
Loose the tweet, dude!

You seriously don't use any tweeter in your live sound? I use mine with heavy attenuation, but I still use it--woofers just don't give you the full range of tones by themselves, or at least not in my experience. But I'm no Jeff Berlin.
sloop_john_b wrote:My $.02: Joshua, you are a great player and knowledgeable as well - please don't take this with any disrespect, but I think you need to concern yourself less with how fretless your fretless bass sounds and more with the arrangement of that song.
John, the song is not really anything close to finished or even really a full song yet. Don't worry about that--I just needed some tones to show you guys (and believe it or not but it was actually rearranged a couple of nights ago at practice, but it's still far from done). Whenever it's a full-fledged song, if ever, it'll probably make its way to the Recordings forum for a different kind of eval.
Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:44 pm
by jps
cassius987 wrote:jps wrote:cassius987 wrote:Was he using his combo signature rig (and did you like it)? No tweeter concerns me ever so slightly.
Loose the tweet, dude!

You seriously don't use any tweeter in your live sound? I use mine with heavy attenuation, but I still use it--woofers just don't give you the full range of tones by themselves, or at least not in my experience. But I'm no Jeff Berlin.
No tweeters in sight on any of my bass gear.
Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:59 pm
by cassius987
Hm. It's so weird how I go through these phases. I used to say tweeters were the devil, now I call them a necessary evil, and now you're starting to make me think maybe they're really the devil after all.
Maybe I'm just impressionable. I'd better stop reading all of those bumper stickers.
Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:39 pm
by jps
Tweeters and horns and anything else that
starts at like 4KHz and up are passé these days unless you are Marcus Miller.
Really, a lot of cabinet builders, like LDS, Bergantino, etc. have many designs that utilize a mid/high driver but no tweeter, like the 6 1/2" driver in my LDS 286, for example, that have more highs than a normal human needs for bass. Do a search on the Talkbass site for fEarful speakers, it is a design that specifically uses a low frequency and a mid/high driver, although there is also a version with a horn, in needed to call all the dogs in the neighborhood to your gig.

Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:48 am
by s4001
jps wrote:I got pics to prove it, too!

You must've been standing just to the right of me. I didn't see you.
Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:51 am
by jps
Really? Actually, I am not surprised as there was a lot going on at the Markbass booth.

Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:37 am
by rickenbrother
jps wrote:Tweeters and horns and anything else that
starts at like 4KHz and up are passé these days unless you are Marcus Miller.
Really, a lot of cabinet builders, like LDS, Bergantino, etc. have many designs that utilize a mid/high driver
If I had a speaker cab that had a mid/high driver, I would probably like it. I hate the tweeters/horns. I play basses, not trebles.
Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:11 pm
by jps
rickenbrother wrote:jps wrote:Tweeters and horns and anything else that
starts at like 4KHz and up are passé these days unless you are Marcus Miller.
Really, a lot of cabinet builders, like LDS, Bergantino, etc. have many designs that utilize a mid/high driver
If I had a speaker cab that had a mid/high driver, I would probably like it. I hate the tweeters/horns. I play basses, not trebles.
I have just the cabinet for you, Joey.

Re: Is My Fretless Tone Too Bright/Zingy?
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:32 pm
by jps