Something Interesting in the RIC Boutique

[rickaddict]

Great info guys thanks. Looking up the Dimarrzio it's wound to 11.3 which explains it's over powering the '74 HG neck Pup(8.4). The RIHS isn't going to be the answer although it would look cool. I'll have to wait 'til a bridge Pup shows. Can anyone tell me what mid seventies Bridge Pups would be suitable?

I'm not sure I agree with that earlier value posted for the RI HS pickup (12-14k ). I think that might be for the earlier V63 version. As I understand it the later C64 version is not wound as hot. I've measured the HS in my 2003 C64S, and I think it was somewhere in the 9K range but I would need to check it again to be sure. Plus, the current scatterwound Toaster pickup is wound to 7.4K, so your bass with a HS would theoretically be better balanced with it's 8.4K neck pick up than the C64 series.

Anyhoo...I think the way to go for your '74 4001 would be to get any 70's 4001 bridge pick up. They're all pretty similar; usually wound between 7.5 and 8.5 from what I understand. They all look more or less the same from around late 1973 to the end of the 4001's run in the early 1980's. They're smooth and feel great under your hand, they weigh much less than a HS pick up, and unlike the HS pickup they don't restrict string access. And they're not hard to find on ebay. Heck, I'd bet that if you bought a current hi-gain from RIC, you'd probably even be able to find someone here on the forum that would trade your current hi-gain for their 70's hi-gain.

[T.A.R.]

I love this place! Thanks, I wasn't sure how HGs compared over the years. With luck I'll complete the project before the MARF

[johnallg]

Jeff T - my RIHS out of a C64 measures around 12k. An after '73 4001 bridge higain will measure around the same 8.4k as the neck higains.

[jps]

My RIHS measures to 10.15KΩ

[johnallg]

As a quantifier, my readings are unloaded; in other words, the pickup wire leads hanging in the air.

[jps]

As a quantifier, my readings are unloaded; in other words, the pickup wire leads hanging in the air.

Same here.

[rickaddict]

Okay, I measured my pick ups last night on my 2003 C64S. I removed the pick guard and took the readings from the lead wires without un-soldering them. My horseshoe measures 10.69K and my toaster measures 6.88. They are very mismatched, but I heavily favor the bridge pickup anyway.

[Wiker]

My V63 RIHS is 8.3K. It was somewhere in 10.5K-11K before I unwound it.

Seen people mention here and there that the V63 was hotter than the C64.

Also, JH’s statement leads one to believe there is a difference between the two.
“Much tweaking was done as part of the C Series design to capture the original sound of a fully charged horseshoe. We actually had to invent our own special probe using a Hall effect device to understand where the fields exist and their strength.” (viewtopic.php?p=24056#p24056)

[rickaddict]

Thanks for finding that old JH post, Geir. Interesting stuff!

[coolhandjjl]

I'm PUP novice. So the lower the ohms, the greater the output? )With perhaps a drop in subtle tonal quality?) I've a new 4001c64 in FG coming today! Can't wait to try out the new HS pup! Was considering string it with my LaBella DTB flats as well.

[cjj]

I'm PUP novice. So the lower the ohms, the greater the output? )With perhaps a drop in subtle tonal quality?) I've a new 4001c64 in FG coming today! Can't wait to try out the new HS pup! Was considering string it with my LaBella DTB flats as well.

Pretty much just the opposite, actually. More windings means more ohms and more voltage generated - so more output. But, all the extra windings add inductance to the coil, which means that the current can't change as quickly, so there will be a loss of clarity (higher harmonics of the fundamental tone)...

[coolhandjjl]

Thanks!

[T.A.R.]

Thanks Guys! What a Pick Up education. I'm going with the 70s HG if I can find one. If anyone has one please PM me! Really enjoyed JHs post on the RIHS.

[johnallg]

Thanks Guys! What a Pick Up education. I'm going with the 70s HG if I can find one. If anyone has one please PM me! Really enjoyed JHs post on the RIHS.

Ted, if you unwind a current higain to the 8.4k ohms, you will be very close to the 70s sound.

[wim]

Thanks Guys! What a Pick Up education. I'm going with the 70s HG if I can find one. If anyone has one please PM me! Really enjoyed JHs post on the RIHS.

Ted, if you unwind a current higain to the 8.4k ohms, you will be very close to the 70s sound.

Exactly my thoughts. Unwinding these is pretty easy.
I'd even say it IS the same sound, instead of pretty close. It IS then the same pickup too after all.
I just love my '74 but I unwound the neck from 8.5 to 7.5, removed the assembly screws and got it higher up to the strings.
I left the bridge pu stock, and the combination sounds pretty awesome now.
Off course the bridge unit is a little further away from the strings because it's a bit 'hotter', but balance between the two is perfect, no volume drops or anything when I switch pu's.