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Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:05 pm
by 4003
gareth wrote:
johnhall wrote:
There were four that I remember and maybe more I've forgotten. The first ones were done by John Quarterman, then Mike Ponce and Adam Page. The last ones were done by Rick Seccombe, who was probably the most skilled of all and who also pushed the limits of the original design.
Any idea of what numbers these guys did ? I would love to know who exactly carved #26.....
Ditto for #29.

Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:59 pm
by johnallg
Great info, John. Thanks.

Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:59 pm
by BAD RONBO, KiLLeR DWaRfS
i'm sure they were just wood at this point with no parts on them thus no serial # yet ? just an outline where to carve.

Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:41 am
by johnallg
Just matching pair wings, carved at the same time for continuity. There was a picture or video, I forget, of pairs laid out in various stages of carving. Anyone remember where or have it?

Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:16 am
by cassius987
Thanks for the info Mr. Hall!

Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:34 am
by ken_j
John, thank you for your reply.

Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:16 pm
by BAD RONBO, KiLLeR DWaRfS
johnallg wrote:Just matching pair wings, carved at the same time for continuity. There was a picture or video, I forget, of pairs laid out in various stages of carving. Anyone remember where or have it?

you're saying they were carved before gluing up to the center section ?

Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:19 pm
by sloop_john_b
BAD RONBO, KiLLeR DWaRfS wrote: you're saying they were carved before gluing up to the center section ?
That is correct!

Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:52 pm
by bassduke49
Here's an Erik Kutzler shot of RIC luthier Richard Seccombe carving the last batch of Lemmy's. The body wings in the extreme foreground ended up on Steve Woods' Lemmy.

Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:50 pm
by johnhall
There's no way at this point in time to know who carved what.

Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:14 pm
by johnallg
Paul, that was the picture I was referring to. Thanks.

John, not surprised. With four carvers, that would be almost impossible. The only way I could think is you'd need a fair number of them in one place across the numbered sequence and try to sort into style then assign a name by the order of sequence number. But without all the instruments, you couldn't establish a break point, nor if someone finished wings a previous carver started.

Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:39 pm
by gareth
At this point as John states, there's probably no way to know.

The only people that would, would be the carvers themselves. I'm pretty sure that they would be able to identify their own work if they saw it.

At least I have a 25% chance of getting it right with a guess now. That's better than the 100% chance of getting it wrong I had before John told us the four involved. :D

Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:08 pm
by BAD RONBO, KiLLeR DWaRfS
see ! i told you all that RIC was backwards . when all the other companies would bind the whole perimeter of the body...RICKENBACKER board meeting gurus sit down and devise ways to confuse. :wink: :idea: "let's not bind the tail end of the center section so as to draw attention to our craft." :D

Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:15 pm
by johnallg
BAD RONBO, KiLLeR DWaRfS wrote:see ! i told you all that RIC was backwards . when all the other companies would bind the whole perimeter of the body...RICKENBACKER board meeting gurus sit down and devise ways to confuse. :wink: :idea: "let's not bind the tail end of the center section so as to draw attention to our craft." :D
Not Lemmys, but 4003 wings:
binding_basses.jpg

Re: How different is the tone between 1st run Lemmy and 2nd run?

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:22 pm
by Ric N. Backer
Lots of cool stuff has been detailed here. :D