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Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 9:32 am
by cjj
jps wrote:coolhandjjl wrote:Regarding the wearing of patterns and templates over time, here is how it is in the art world. When an artist makes an original, and commissions editions, whether they be lithos, itaglios, gravures, silk screen prints, etc, the first ones made are always more valuable as the the thing making the edition is fresh and the reproduction is faithful. As it wears, the later ones in the edition are less accurate, (those with higher numbers) and are always seen as less valuable in the marketplace.
In the case of the darkroom working photographic printer it is their brain that wears out after 50-75 editions of a single negative.
Oh come on now. Those photons will eventually erode the negative to a point where the image just isn't as good... 'Course, after several quadrillion prints, each, people probably wouldn't be interested in them any more anyway...
Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 9:39 am
by coolhandjjl
jps wrote:coolhandjjl wrote:Regarding the wearing of patterns and templates over time, here is how it is in the art world. When an artist makes an original, and commissions editions, whether they be lithos, itaglios, gravures, silk screen prints, etc, the first ones made are always more valuable as the the thing making the edition is fresh and the reproduction is faithful. As it wears, the later ones in the edition are less accurate, (those with higher numbers) and are always seen as less valuable in the marketplace.
In the case of the darkroom working photographic printer it is their brain that wears out after 50-75 editions of a single negative.
Actually, there is a bit of twisted truth to that. By the time I was in school, the chemicals were only mildly toxic. But in the early years, mercury and other evil things were often used, and those guys frequently went mad.
Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:02 pm
by jps
coolhandjjl wrote:jps wrote:coolhandjjl wrote:Regarding the wearing of patterns and templates over time, here is how it is in the art world. When an artist makes an original, and commissions editions, whether they be lithos, itaglios, gravures, silk screen prints, etc, the first ones made are always more valuable as the the thing making the edition is fresh and the reproduction is faithful. As it wears, the later ones in the edition are less accurate, (those with higher numbers) and are always seen as less valuable in the marketplace.
In the case of the darkroom working photographic printer it is their brain that wears out after 50-75 editions of a single negative.
Actually, there is a bit of twisted truth to that. By the time I was in school, the chemicals were only mildly toxic. But in the early years, mercury and other evil things were often used, and those guys frequently went mad.
So, that's my problem?
Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 7:37 pm
by johnallg
jps wrote:coolhandjjl wrote:jps wrote:In the case of the darkroom working photographic printer it is their brain that wears out after 50-75 editions of a single negative.
Actually, there is a bit of twisted truth to that. By the time I was in school, the chemicals were only mildly toxic. But in the early years, mercury and other evil things were often used, and those guys frequently went mad.
So, that's my problem?
Sure explains a lot!!
Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:53 pm
by aceonbass
Other than maybe the middle 620/12 in Jdawe's trio, all of the 600 series guitars posted have the same upper horn. Considering some of the minutia that's discussed here, I absolutely can't believe that no one here can tell the difference between the newer ones of the last couple years and every single one I've ever seen before it. I tried to cut and paste some pics from Ebay auctions that were taken straight on, but they're too big to post here.The difference is in the outline looking at the upper horn straight on, not from the bottom, top or a 3/4 view.
Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 11:48 pm
by Ontario_RIC_fan
Dane here are some images of more recent 620s to compare then
These are both 2010
Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 11:52 pm
by Ontario_RIC_fan
Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:00 am
by Clint
aceonbass wrote: Considering some of the minutia that's discussed here, I absolutely can't believe that no one here can tell the difference between the newer ones of the last couple years and every single one I've ever seen before it.
I definitely see the difference that you're talking about. I think it is a much more significant change than the 360's upper horn, that gets some people so upset. The "wave" used to flatten out to the "crest" (which, to me, made the 600's shape look much more aggressive). The newer, more rounded horn softens the overall look of the guitar, in my opinion. I guess it is up to the marketplace to decide the issue.
Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:04 am
by ken_j
Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:40 am
by egosheep
The early ones had a look that was very similar to the combo 400 tulip shape upper horn, with a bite cut out of it. Compared to the 2010 jetglo above, there is something clearly different about it.
Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:09 pm
by jwilli
Comparison......
Big difference.
Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 10:00 am
by egosheep
Thanks John, that's the comparison I was trying to make.
The 615 that the new CNC path is based off of is GD2042.
Here is
GD2039, another 615 from the register:
Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 1:25 pm
by electrofaro
I love the newer, rounder version of the upper horn, makes it look more of a wave to me!
Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 10:02 pm
by aceonbass
Yes, those were the pics needed to show the difference. I liked the older horn with the little point it kinda came to when it would crest then round under. That's the "look" a 600 series horn should have based on what I'm used to seeing. I just don't like the newer one as much, and it doesn't look like the older 615 shown at all.
Re: CNC: Is it purely a blessing?
Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 3:51 am
by electrofaro
aceonbass wrote: it doesn't look like the older 615 shown at all.
The old 615 shown is not the exact guitar they used as example. And we all know that these older Ricks can differ slightly in looks.