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One of my guitars that I had on ebay a while back was updated with the new pic's (old ones deleted ), but not by me? and it's not a collected item, how does that work.

Seans wrote:One of my guitars that I had on ebay a while back was updated with the new pic's (old ones deleted ), but not by me? and it's not a collected item, how does that work.

That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. I've bought instruments from members here and like Joey said a quick email to Peter got it transferred to me. But something like not being a member here and having a bass and finding someone gleaned the info and put it in the registry would not be something I'd like to happen to me.

bernieflyer wrote:Earlier some of you mentioned skunk stripe and bindings.What are those...??? Excuse me again my main language is french....

On some models (mapleglo & fireglo's) you can see the stip of Shedua Wood (I think that's how you spell it) that runs down the centre of the body and neck, which is darker than the light coloured Maple body parts on either side. The appearance relates to the 'skunk' (animal) which is black with a white stripe running all the way down it.

'Binding' is the white strip that goes all the way round the body on the front on 4001's & 4003's. On some of the earlier Rics some special editions had 'chequered' bindings on them which are quite desirable.

Baker69 wrote:

bernieflyer wrote:Earlier some of you mentioned skunk stripe and bindings.What are those...??? Excuse me again my main language is french....

On some models (mapleglo & fireglo's) you can see the stip of Shedua Wood (I think that's how you spell it) that runs down the centre of the body and neck, which is darker than the light coloured Maple body parts on either side. The appearance relates to the 'skunk' (animal) which is black with a white stripe running all the way down it.

'Binding' is the white strip that goes all the way round the body on the front on 4001's & 4003's. On some of the earlier Rics some special editions had 'chequered' bindings on them which are quite desirable.

Ok,
I don't know where to begin, especially since most of the people who just ****** the hell out of me are GOOD FRIENDS.

1. The register purpose is not give anyone the pleasure of being the first to register an instrument. It is simply a database of Rickenbacker instruments, I would have actually LOVED to see my instruments registered there (none of them was) and it would have been GREAT if it was existing 50 years ago (impossible, I know) so I could have a way of knowing the full history of my instruments.
2. The idea behind the register is to simply allow people to register their instruments and add pictures as well as to add instruments collected from various sources such as eBay so we could know they exist and start tracking their history.
3. The moment an instrument is owned by someone the entire history of the instrument becomes hidden from public eyes, including the price in which it sold on eBay.
4. The last feature has helped us finding DOZENS of stolen instruments and give them back to their rightful owners as well as helped us finding "hot potato" instruments that were bounced again and again by different owners letting us know that there is something wrong with them.
5. Collecting the instruments from external sources has allowed us to have almost 10,000 instruments with pictures, giving us an option to see subtle changes in models across the years.
6. Collecting the instruments from eBay has also allowed us to build a VERY accurate pricelist that automatically collects the data from eBay, crunches it and give us a number.
7. If someone buys a rick and find it registered all he has to do is to contact Peter or myself and we'll immediately change the ownership, no questions asked (at least not for CI instruments...)
8. The register is OURS, all of us, if someone sees an error he/she should contact me to fix it instead of sitting back and passing judgement.

And Paul - if you find an error in the register just let us know, you don't have to wait for your book to be published.

On a more personal note: In my 5 years of doing the technical work behind the forum and the register I have never felt such ungratefulness from anyone. Seeing it now coming from an unexpected source is a blow to the guts.

Thanks for that Gil!

I have been biting my tongue for a few weeks now...

I am VERY grateful for all you do BTW.

Please be mindful that many instruments in the Register have been submitted by those who own the instruments. The collected instruments are from the public domain. We don't ever mean to offend others and we will remove instruments should owners be offended. Many are proud to include their knowledge and instruments as we all learn about Rickenbackers everyday. When you are not sure about a feature or a time period, the Register can be a helpful guide. This is not a commercial venture.

The whole point of the Register is too learn as much as we can about the history or Rickenbacker instruments.

There are many people who use the Register to learn and some may even use this information for the purpose of publishing articles and maybe even books perhaps. Our goal is not for personal or professional gain but to simply enjoy and to research Rickenbackers. We welcome them in their pursuit and some of them have even helped the Register by adding information of their own.

We have a small group of enthusiastic workers who dedicate their time because they are interested in these instruments. I thank them as I know what it is like to work hard on projects with limited resources. A kind word now and again never hurts.

We have never contended that all information is 100 percent accurate but we do what we can and I want to thank Gil for all his efforts and the outstanding work he has done in putting the Register together. He has done all of us a favour here. What you see has taken nearly 15 years to create and we work on this everyday.

Talk is cheap. I would ask that you consider the feelings of others as you muse about whether you like or dislike the idea personally. Would you like to make it better? If you feel the need to critique our work publicly then why not offer to help. We are friendly.

admin wrote:Please be mindful that many instruments in the Register have been submitted by those who own the instruments. The collected instruments are from the public domain. We don't ever mean to offend others and we will remove instruments should owners be offended.

I think the main issue is that one of the pleasure you may have when adding a Rickenbacker to your stable is to enter it in the register. It is a kind of a quiet form of boasting I guess...

Sadly for me, on the 6 Rickenbackers I bought, I could have that pleasure on one occasion only!

Jeff you can always update the photos of your instruments to better quality should you have the time. I deeply appreciate your comments.

I can certainly understand people not wanting their instrument's info put in without their consent, but I appreciate the work and have used the list numerous times for research.

What if "we" limited the information on collected instruments to just some basics ... model, serial#, year, color, etc?

Thanks, Gil! I really do want to help correct some of the discrepancies I've found. Please understand that these errors are the fault of the person registering either their own or C.I. instruments. Sometimes the faults are simple typos, but often simple misunderstandings of what constitutes a full serial number, what model they have (or found), proper color names, etc.

I have found great value in the Register when trying to determine the production span of models and colors and used it to cross reference the "official" information on RIC price sheets (those that I have). In doing so, I've discovered a lot of anomalies, and I'd love to help correct them. But for the next month, nearly all of my spare time will be devoted to finishing the book. Starting in January, I'll be able to submit a long list of items that could be corrected.

I certainly appreciate and applaud the hard work that gets put into the register.
With out it I might not have found a few of my babies
Who gives a rip if I'm not the "first" to enter it. As Peter said, one can always add new photos....

And really, to complain about something that's pretty much "free" and exists through many hours of work
shows little appreciation to those kind enough to do it.

If you don't want your instrument in the register, can't you contact Peter or Gil and have it removed?

Colonel Sanders wrote: I think the main issue is that one of the pleasure you may have when adding a Rickenbacker to your stable is to enter it in the register. It is a kind of a quiet form of boasting I guess...

Sadly for me, on the 6 Rickenbackers I bought, I could have that pleasure on one occasion only!

What is the difference between buying an instrument from a member who already registered it to buying it from another guy in eBay who either had it added by himself or had his instrument collected by our "collecting team"? (Mostly Ron, BrianM and myself nowdays)

teeder wrote:I can certainly understand people not wanting their instrument's info put in without their consent, but I appreciate the work and have used the list numerous times for research.

What if "we" limited the information on collected instruments to just some basics ... model, serial#, year, color, etc?

The honest truth is that once the instrument is being presented online with images, serial, etc... it's existence is now public domain. We can argue about the pictures and their copyright ownership, etc... But the very essence of it's existence is a public domain and as such does not need anyone's approval, that is also the reason we rarely delete instruments from the register, an owner can ask for the images to be removed and for his name/city to be removed, but the actual existence is public the moment it becomes public...

As for limiting the info - I am not sure I understand what do you mean by that. If someone buys an instrument that was listed in the register as a collected instrument and asks to change ownership (it happens every day or so...) the moment we change ownership the sales history is hidden and no one can see for how much it sold and it's ebay history.
Additionally - the Name of the owner, the email and city are hidden anyway, so the only things that are public are the model, serial, finish, special, etc.. and of course the images. If the owner decides that he does not wish to have the images there anymore he is free to remove them.

Seans wrote:One of my guitars that I had on ebay a while back was updated with the new pic's (old ones deleted ), but not by me? and it's not a collected item, how does that work.

I'm not sure if my post above has given offense to the job of the registrars, it wasn't meant to, but I have sent correction info to both Gil and Peter in the past for various separate logs and got info back saying the collector will not respond to emails, so we can't fix the problem, so the question above was merely my confusion at my ''uncollected item'' that can be edited by someone else?.

gibsonlp wrote:

Colonel Sanders wrote: I think the main issue is that one of the pleasure you may have when adding a Rickenbacker to your stable is to enter it in the register. It is a kind of a quiet form of boasting I guess...

Sadly for me, on the 6 Rickenbackers I bought, I could have that pleasure on one occasion only!

What is the difference between buying an instrument from a member who already registered it to buying it from another guy in eBay who either had it added by himself or had his instrument collected by our "collecting team"? (Mostly Ron, BrianM and myself nowdays)

teeder wrote:I can certainly understand people not wanting their instrument's info put in without their consent, but I appreciate the work and have used the list numerous times for research.

What if "we" limited the information on collected instruments to just some basics ... model, serial#, year, color, etc?

The honest truth is that once the instrument is being presented online with images, serial, etc... it's existence is now public domain. We can argue about the pictures and their copyright ownership, etc... But the very essence of it's existence is a public domain and as such does not need anyone's approval, that is also the reason we rarely delete instruments from the register, an owner can ask for the images to be removed and for his name/city to be removed, but the actual existence is public the moment it becomes public...

As for limiting the info - I am not sure I understand what do you mean by that. If someone buys an instrument that was listed in the register as a collected instrument and asks to change ownership (it happens every day or so...) the moment we change ownership the sales history is hidden and no one can see for how much it sold and it's ebay history.
Additionally - the Name of the owner, the email and city are hidden anyway, so the only things that are public are the model, serial, finish, special, etc.. and of course the images. If the owner decides that he does not wish to have the images there anymore he is free to remove them.

I must say, you have a fantastic point bringing up public domain, great point. I didn't even think of that.