Tribute band related....sort of....

325_fan · Post by **325_fan** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:45 am

Amazing how a simple coiling of cables thread becomes a global warming issue.

By the by,,,,,,,if you don't frequent Walmart for hardware such as coiling units, there are other stores that carry such devices.

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:03 am

You guys are completely nuts...but I love youse all anyway...

There's salt water coming up through the fresh water wells all along India's coastline...you gonna blame that on sunspots? I spent a lot of time on the seventh continent, where ice shelves are coming apart worse than a bad fret job. I stood in the Science Building at the South Pole with my PhD buddies and watched the hideous data coming in...there ain't no ozone up above there in the summertime no mo'. Those guys all know what the real deal is...they are not dealing in 'junk science'...

Every culture on earth has a colorful and charming creation myth...like my Balinese Hindu friend told me, the problem with 'believers' in the west is that they don't understand the difference between religion and mythology. A couple of things I really respect in Hinduism: they know the world is very old, and they know that all living things are related to each other...especially humans and 'primates' (not the Anglican ones, either). The Indonesian phrase 'orang utan' means 'man of the forest'.

The western mind has shown itself again and again to be absolutely intransigent when it comes to recognizing scientific breakthrough discoveries...I don't think I need to list examples. Bear in mind one thing, though...the white 'colonizers', upon encountering darker humans in their travels, considered them animals. WTF?...I still meet white people who do.

Face it, it suits as many or more people in our society to propogate the theory that we're descended from a lump of mud that got life breathed into it. Any forum women want to weigh in on having originated from some guy's rib?

Dr. Who, Prof. Jingle Jangle...help me out here, would ya? I can't move this piano all by myself...

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:02 pm

>>>>"You guys are completely nuts"

perhaps, but please dont lump me in with the fundamental religion "creation" crowd. I didn't mention anything about that.

>>>"The Indonesian phrase 'orang utan' means 'man of the forest'."

interesting... ya learn something new every day. Which highlights one of my points.... man is an animal on this planet too. Some on the extreme whacko left consider homo sapiens to be the "human pestilence" and that the earth would be better off without us (PETA's Ingred Newkirk for one). This extreme attitude leads to some very bizzarre and radical political stances indeed!

In other news, at last Sat's gig some guy came up to me between sets and told me how blown away he was by my Ric... said he had a couple of them and wanted to know more about mine (a refinished to natural 360/6 Tuxedo). Clearly he was more impressed by the guitar itself than by the playing of it. Oh well.

expomick · Post by **expomick** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:26 pm

Wow! Great post by Dane Paul Terry...and talk about a long-and-winding thread. Hmmm...how can I work Maxwell Smart, Terry Puhl and Kraft Dinner into the mix???

winston · Post by **winston** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:21 pm

Hmmm. I think the best thing about this thread was that there dangling comments that were left unanswered. Some points of view are best when they are left unsaid. Especially in a forum like ours that requires us to avoid sensitive topics.

Dane really only took us to the edge. No one really took the trail of bait.

I suspect that many here love to get involved in a good partisan, political, religious, or philosophical debate. Especially one where both sides of an issue can be explored, but this is not the place for such a debate.

I have no problem buying from Wal Mart. The employees that I have spoken to here just love their employer and are happy doing what they do. Wal Mart and Rona are two of the best stores in our very small city. They allow us to make choices. Interestingly enough our city is full of mom and pop shops that do very well with their established clientele. I like to spread my business around. That way we will always have choices to make.

Competition is healthy as long as it is not stifling. The smaller stores here respond to lower pricing offered by Wal Mart by providing unmatched and in most cases incredible service. Consumers seem to respond to pampering as well as they do a lower price point.

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:17 am

Hey, Kent...I really appreciate your comments...and I promise to try not to 'lump' you (or anyone else) into any categories. I, too, would like to declare my independence from stuff like PETA...they may have one or two good points to make, as nearly everyone does, but those points get washed away by their particular tsunami of extremism...

You're so right about man being just another animal on this planet...I may get upset at what humans get up to, but that's my family, too. As trite as it may sound, 'some of my best friends are people'...

To Brian and all the Christians here...I may not subscribe to your belief system, but I certainly respect your right to hold to it, as I do for all believers of all faiths. And I will also say that I feel that your man Yeshua, wherever he actually came from, was one of the greatest people who ever lived...brave in the face of oppressive Orthodoxy and occupying Imperialism, and possessed of a thoroughly decent philosophy...one we could all learn from. He is called Hasrate by the Muslim and venerated as a prophet of God by them.

So here's to humanity...I don't think the Earth would be better off without us, anymore than I think we'd be better off without the Earth.

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:27 pm

dane... good summary of PETA, and I'm happy to hear you express it ... they started out well intended but that was a long time ago and they've veered from that path quite a bit.

PeTA co-founder Ingrid Newkirk once said even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, "we'd be against it." ... and also said that "humans have grown like a cancer. We're the biggest blight on the face of the earth." Hence my reference to those who are fundamentally anti-human. (Newkirk is a raving kook, IMHO)

Speaking of earth without us, have you seen any of the TV specials about so-called "killer asteroids"? They are a very real thing and have the potential to wipe out human kind just like they did to the (larger) dinosaurs way back when. The really interesting thing about it is that mankind CAN do something about it. In fact, the hardest part of the problem is identifying the object with any degree of confidence. After that (given enough lead time) we'd likely be able to go meet it and nudge it away from it's impact trajectory. Now THERE's a pretty cool use for our fancy-shmancy technology.

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:40 am

Are you saying the sky IS falling, now? (Just kiddin' around...)

I have a few vegetarian friends, and in fact my first wife 'converted' to vegetarianism after we got married. To each his/her own, I say...but my own experience is that while trying to go along with the program and placate her, I found it almost impossible to fight off any virus or 'bug' that came along. I'm sure it's possible to stay healthy within that lifestyle, but you'd have to make your food intake into an almost fixated religious ritual...who's got the time? And furthermore, what are these pointy 'canine' teeth in our mouths all about? I don't think it makes us 'better' people to deny our own natures or the food chain we were born into. One friend of mine points out that: a) There are a tremendous number of spiders in the world, many of whom are nocturnally active and 'inquisitive'; b) most people spend at least some of their sleeping time with their mouths partially or fully open; and therefore, c) you've almost certainly ingested a spider or two, regardless of your strict vegetarian vows...

To which I would add: every time a microbe enters your body and your immune system annihilates it, have you not 'caused harm to another living creature'? Not sure how the meatless set reconciles that one, to say nothing of the 'orthodox' Buddhists...

shamustwin · Post by **shamustwin** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:54 am

Cow farts. They are a significant factor in global warming. Seriously.

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:29 am

Another excellent point to consider, Jer...my Balinese friends, adhering to their own brand of Hinduism, do eat meat of all kinds, including beef. However, it's a relatively small amount and balanced with lots of vegetables and, of course, primarily rice. Perhaps, as a species, we might find some happy medium between 'nothing but broccoli' and 'a steak the size of a hub cap seven times a week' (aka 'The Dick Cheney Diet')...

shamustwin · Post by **shamustwin** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:07 am

My wife and all my past girlfriends and even another ex wife have been asian, and I've grown accustomed to very small portions of meat mixed in with veggies, rice, etc. I have nothing against eating or wearing animals, but for me personally, if I eat a lot of meat I get very fatigued (the body can't do a lot of things at once, digesting meat is a lot of work - that's why everyone gets mellow after Thanksgiving turkey), plus my skin feels 'gooey" and uncomfortable after ingesting animal fats.
Also, I've bled cattle as part of disease monitoring, and being that close to one and knee deep in "it" kinda makes them less appetizing. I wonder who was the first guy to say "look at that big fat farting animal, looks delicious!"

"I don't drink water - fish fornicate in it" - W.C. Fields

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:05 pm

Perhaps, as a species, we might find some happy medium where people are allowed to eat whatever they want without other people losing sleep over it. But there's a catch... we have to be prepared to take responsibility for our actions and in THAT arena we have our work cut out for us.

BTW the reason everyone gets mellow after Thanksgiving turkey is not because the've just eaten meat. Turkey contains the chemical Tryptophan and it makes you sleepy. Some people are more affected than others. Personally it'll send me to snoozing on the couch faster than anything else. It's really remarkable.

shamustwin · Post by **shamustwin** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:13 am

Yes Tryptophan is good for making you sleepy. But when you eat massive amounts of anything your body devotes a lot of it's energies digesting it, and some items break down slower. I've found what's best for me food wise, weigh what I did 20 years ago (with zero exercise). That's me. I don't want to push an agenda on others, be it meat, politics or tribute band related sort of.

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:24 am

weigh what I did 20 years ago with zero exercise?
PLEASE.. feel free to push it on me all you like!

winston · Post by **winston** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:50 pm

Jerry I agree with Kent. Please share your dietary secrets. You could help a whole lot of good people on the forum who would like to shed a couple of pounds here and there.