"The Beatles are flippin lousy"

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:59 am

Huh? "Won't Get Fooled" surely was an anti-status quo (SQ being the Nixon/MacMillan axis of power). Both men go down in history as nearly the worst of the worst. The actual W of the W being, of course, W and B, current Occupants of the Vacuous.

Richard, IMO, you are letting your personal prejudice against PT get in the way here. Almost any person's selected observations, taken from context, can be used to build a total case either for or against the person in question. I'm glad that PT doesn't let a press agent whitewash and spin-dry every utterance from his lips. Of course, he always runs the risk of people doing exactly what you're doing, but in the long run he's being true to himself and to his own views, which are far from inexperienced and callow.

O do agree that his mouthing off on the Beatles was selfish and self-serving, but still appreciate the man, his band, and their collective achievement.

Glenn, I agree 100% with your post.

simer4001 · Post by **simer4001** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:11 am

Remember that all that had happened in 1968 was set in motion years before re: Vietnam. First the French then Eisenhower, JFK,LBJ and McNamara. I think their was enough blame to go around. I am a bit more conservative than some of you and I sometimes take offense, but when Dane rips on Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity it is rightly deserved in most cases. Coulter scares me and Hannity is a pimp. It did all make for some pretty good music.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:21 am

It does outrage me that H and C et al., have appropriated WGFA for the right (how did Pete ever give the OK for this?

Coulter is stinking all the way to the bank, on the backs of the same fools who have been screwed by the neocons (working-class conservatives, formerly Dem/New Deal types). Odd bedfellows indeed.

But politics is off limits here, so let's call this musical. OK?

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:32 am

I was just about to add; I'm not sure we can have a discussion of certain period rock without examining the context of the geopolitical times in which it was created (well, certainly not the Cowsills work.) Or transgressing this forum's rules on politics.

With the politico/media hounds (okay, whores) going at it on prime time every night, Vietnam war or not, these don't seem to be as civil times.

But speaking of rock and entertainment and politics all rolled into one, has anyone seen Smothered (the doc. on the Smothers Brothers Show?)

I recommend it.

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:41 am

"...let's call this musical. OK?"

Yes. let's!

Thanks, Stan, for reminding me about the Who's Next release date...and while I appreciate Glenn going to bat to say we don't know for sure what year WGFA was written, I think it's more likely to have happened in the time frame Stan mentions. I stand retrospect, if not corrected.

Hannity isn't just a pimp...he's Coulter's pimp, and the meter's running.

But that's just one over-opinionated jerk's opinion...

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:43 am

I remember watching the Smothers Brothers Show the night that Pete Seeger sang "Knee Deep in the Big Muddy" (topic: our enmirement in Vietnam). There was outrage from the stay-the-coursers and a chorus of "right on!"s from the rest of us.

Shortly thereafter, LBJ announced his decision to not seek re-election. The two were not directly connected, but the latter was a result of the disquieted-to-outraged mood of the public in general.

Back in the days when the people cared and the Executive Branch could be made to see the light.

A good example of the crossover between music and politics.

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:04 am

Nowadays, Seeger would have to sing "Who Dropped a T*rd in the Sandbox?"....

Paul, I'm sure there was no approval from Townsend on the Right's appropriation of his tune for their purposes...the tune made some BS list of supposed right-wing anthems, and so it's just our opinions (and Townsend's, too, I'm guessing) that it shouldn't be lumped in with "Sunshine Go Away Today" and other favorites of the Ayn Rand crowd.

I understand, though, that this list features The Beach Boys prominently, which is probably much more deserved...don't recall which of their tunes was deemed to be a conservative 'anthem'...

Was it "Good Vibrations"? "In My Room"? "Fun, Fun, Fun?" Ya got me...

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:19 am

The BBs made the list, no doubt, due to Mr. Love's support of the powers-that-be.

Carl is spinning in his grave, Dennis' ocean molecules are sticking closer to the Marianas Trench, and Brian...

Brian? Are you with us???

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:28 am

Latter day Seeger, and the specific appearance that Paul mentions, appears in the Smos Bros doc.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00007 ... 60?ie=UTF8

And that was a big deal, not only because of the content of the lyrics of that tune, but because he'd been blacklisted by the networks until then, and that in itself would have drawn letters.

Supposedly, in the midst of its run as a hit album, Reagan made a reference to Born in the USA in a speech that wasn't even within the ballpark with the spirit of the song. (I guess Ronnie just liked that big US Flag on the album cover, Bruce's NASCAR look and the fact that it sold millions and, as was his style, didn't get caught up in the details.)

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:28 am

Bush Senior had The Beach Boys play at The White House...Jimmy Carter invited The Allman Brothers.

I think that says it all...

Unless, of course, someone wants to make the Conservative Anthem case for "Whipping Post"...

'Good Lord, I feel like I'm having to pay Estate Taxes...'

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:32 am

Does anyone remember when former Interior Secretary James Watt fired the Beach Boys (and dissed them publically as druggies) from what had become their annual, and quite popular, 4th of July D.C. appearance?

And he hired Wayne Newton to replace them?

sloop_john_b · Post by **sloop_john_b** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:33 am

The list: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzZkNDU5MmViNzVjNzkzMDE3NzNlN2MyZjRjYTk4YjE&c=1

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:34 am

Hey Glenn...I just remembered Bush The Elder did the same thing with "Don't Worry (Be Happy)"...in fact, I think he was actually playing the song through the PA at campaign appearances until Bobby McFarren's people got hold of his people and told 'em 'ix-nay'...

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:35 am

At the time the BBs played at the White House, Mike Love and his faction of the BBs (Alan Jardine) had pulled a power play and gotten hold of Brian's proxy vote. They were thus able to outvote the brothers Wilson and agree to the White House date.

Carter's Allman Brothers thing was good for both groups. Carter ( a sweet and very trad guy) pleased the voting youth (to be undone by Iran) and appeared far less square than he was.

Jimmy Carter is one of the few people who have held that Office who I believe was guided truly by higher principles. He still is, and I have nothing but respect for him. When he speaks, my bull***t detector takes a much-needed rest!

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:38 am

Wayne Newton's always getting the replacement call...at the beginning of our current 'police action', he was brought in by the Pentagon to replace Bob Hope to entertain the troops...

Can you imagine a bunch of 18-year-old Metallica heads sweatin' in some makeshift desert amphitheater listening to "Danke Schoen"?