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Re: is this pickup complete? correct?

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whojamfan wrote:It just proves to me more and more why I beleive RIC should make available everything that they still manufacture. I believe their reasoning is somehow having the parts available would somehow devalue their vintage instruments, and negatively affect the sales of the vintage/classic models that these few items are used for. I really don't think someone looking for a sixties reissue McCartney bass won't all of the sudden go "hooray, I can just stick a horshoe on my 4003 and/or now I can sell it for a mint!"
If we're talking about horseshoes, this is a different kettle of fish. But most parts necessary to keep up and even restore older Ricks are available from the boutique, when production demands allow the parts to be available. Now, if you're talking about oddball stuff like F tailpieces or early 4000 pickguards or knobs, there's little demand. But fasteners, bridge plates, vibratos, nuts, "vintage" type tuning machines, and stuff like that, are readily available. This is kind of like asking GM to produce '55 Chevy grilles and sell them through dealer parts departments, though. Impractical for GM, and even more so for a tiny concern like RIC.
whojamfan wrote:What it will do, is allow those that own vintage instruments a way to keep them original when they need replacement parts, instead of having to either modify them, or pay prices that have caused some fire here on this topic. The player that is just interested in having the instrument playable doesn't care whether or not what year it was made, only that it is the correct part they need to make it function and keep it original. Simple as that.

Fender makes handmade 62 pickups for strats still with period correct components, but aren't worth the plastic they're made of to someone restoring a 62 Strat, who is willing to pay 3,000-6,000 dollars to get an actual set. This does not hurt Fenders vintage reissue series, custom shop, or anything else. What it does do, is allow someone who is unable or unwilling, the opportunity to replace pickups in an old guitar they have, or throw them in a new one, which will more than likely lead them down the road to getting either a custom shop guitar, or shell out for the real thing. Anyway you look at it, Fender wins, the customer wins, and nobody is hurting their vintage market or using these parts to fool people who pay the big money the originals bring.

Now, those of you who want to get the exact thing you want down to the month it was made, or whatever, understand the used vintage market and will pay the cost to have the "perfect" part. Whether they are collectors, players, or both, they want it exactly that way and may have to wait years to find the part. It's all part of that aspect of ownership, and deserves to be respected for what it is.

If I may,guys like Sergio offer a great service to help folks out in getting their broken pickups up and running again, and/or modify existing working ones to a customers preference. He also makes his own stuff, and deserves respect in that aspect as well. Pickups are not expensive, rare material, or such hard to make items, that one who does actually make them can't get a good laugh out the prices the market will pay for something they can do for so much less. Can Sergio make you a 1971 high gain pickup? Without a time machine, no. But, what he can do, is either fix your broken one, mod a different one,or offer you other options to get you as close to where you wanna be short of the "actual" item. I have never met, or spoken to him, but I know of his reputation and respect that and his abilities.

I agree the vintage market can be nuts, but more nuts is the supermarket, and the gas pump. $4.00+ for a gallon of gas is GREED, and that's what infuriates me. We don't need to fight over the price of parts, you can buy or pass, your choice. It would just be better for all of us loyal owners and players if we had more options. I mean no offense to John Hall, or any of the other folks at RIC IMHOs expressed in this posting, or any other ,for that matter. I love my Rickenbacker instruments, as we obviously all do, and am not trying to tell anybody how to run their business.
No argument; it all comes down to practicality, and we can thank our stars that Ricks have changed little over the years, in terms of basic hardware.
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Re: is this pickup complete? correct?

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What's happening to rick bass prices is also happening to the parts prices. I've have paid a low price of $1700 to a high of $3700 for some of my 73's in about 2 1/2 years time and I've seen the parts prices adjust accordingly, because sometimes you just have to have that part to complete your vintage rick. On a related note..... I need a volume pot with a 73 s/n for one of my 4001's.....name your price..... :) .
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Just to deviate off topic for a moment. $4.00 a gallon? What we'd give in Oz to pay $4 a gallon. I think the current price is the equivelent of US$7.00 a gallon! :(

Back to topic. Buyer is happy, he believes he has value for his money and has achieved the outcome he wanted. Seller is happy he has his price and has achieved the outcome he wanted. A contract has been offered and accepted! Good luck to both parties who have had such a successful transaction. Why so much angst and concern by other forum members? Get lives and move on, there will be another 'deal' to scrutinize and disect tomorrow, and the day after that, and the.... :lol:
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I really really hope I have not offended anyone ... but my experience with my old 1968 4001 was the 60s pickups were quite weak and they sounded kind of pathetic. I put in one of those screw top 69-72 vintage pickups and it was better, then I put in 2 4003 high gain pickups and it really sang. I just don't get why semi-degaussed underwound weak vintage pickups are desireable?!? Of course then I don't get why anybody would want to play a 4 string bass when 5 string models are available.
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Paul, I was simply referring to the parts that they still manufacture, mainly all of the pickups that they still make. I'm not asking for anything special, custom, or something that would require any retro engineering(like a 12/6 converter comb). I believe if you got a 60s 4001 used, and someone down the line had modded it out for a highgain, Seymour, or active setup, that they should be able to restore their instrument if RIC is still manufacturing horseshoe pickups and surrounds, as well as being able to get that short pole toaster to complete it. I think they still make higher gain toasters for the 325 series(don't know which one), as well as short pole toasters for them as well.

As long as they still make it, why not sell it? People here have been waiting 3+ years for some instruments, and I'm sure if they offered it, people would prepay for these items so the next time they do a run of them, the customer could be accomodated. Instead, if you have one of these pickups go dead, or want to make your instrument as it was originally made, your either at the mercy of the vintage market, or have to have it repaired(and that can be really scary). Or, as so sadly the case in many of these fine instruments, you modify them and hope the change is something you can live with.

JWR2, there are many reasons why people like lower output pickups, it's a preference thing, and they sound noticably different. Not better, just different. Same thing goes for the five string bass, it's all personal preference, and one could argue why stop at 5 when there's 6, 8, and 12. McCartney,Squire,Entwistle,Lee,Lemmy,Steve Harris,Flea, Foxton-from jazz to rock to mod to punk to metal to funk, you don't have to have a 5 string. It does not mean that they are bad, but the bass playing world was kicking butt long before the popularity of adding strings to the bass.

All I'm trying to say, is to each their own, and if we don't agree with what someone else does, thinks, or plays, unless you are in the army or jail, you're free to do what you want. I respect your love of 5 strings, high gain pickups, and rocking out, but it's not a scene for everyone. I mean no offense to anyone, except those who wish to read short posts. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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jwr2 wrote:I really really hope I have not offended anyone ... but my experience with my old 1968 4001 was the 60s pickups were quite weak and they sounded kind of pathetic. I put in one of those screw top 69-72 vintage pickups and it was better, then I put in 2 4003 high gain pickups and it really sang. I just don't get why semi-degaussed underwound weak vintage pickups are desireable?!? Of course then I don't get why anybody would want to play a 4 string bass when 5 string models are available.
Really really?

If that's your opinion, that's fine...we're all entitled to one. Just next time, keep the insults to yourself.
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markbass99 wrote:What's happening to rick bass prices is also happening to the parts prices. I've have paid a low price of $1700 to a high of $3700 for some of my 73's in about 2 1/2 years time and I've seen the parts prices adjust accordingly, because sometimes you just have to have that part to complete your vintage rick. On a related note..... I need a volume pot with a 73 s/n for one of my 4001's.....name your price..... :) .
Hey Mark, I think I may have one. If I do you can have it for the time adjusted price of...free.
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Just to deviate off topic for a moment. $4.00 a gallon? What we'd give in Oz to pay $4 a gallon. I think the current price is the equivelent of US$7.00 a gallon!
It's the equivalent of over $12 a gallon here in North Yorkshire. :cry:
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Re: is this pickup complete? correct?

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opticnerve wrote:
jwr2 wrote:I really really hope I have not offended anyone ... but my experience with my old 1968 4001 was the 60s pickups were quite weak and they sounded kind of pathetic. I put in one of those screw top 69-72 vintage pickups and it was better, then I put in 2 4003 high gain pickups and it really sang. I just don't get why semi-degaussed underwound weak vintage pickups are desireable?!? Of course then I don't get why anybody would want to play a 4 string bass when 5 string models are available.
Really really?

If that's your opinion, that's fine...we're all entitled to one. Just next time, keep the insults to yourself.
Come to think of it I stand by every single word I have posted on this forum ...
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